Talk:Nimrod

List of identifications

I thought it might be a good idea to start listing the different identifications which have been suggested for Nimrod and the reasons fore the identification. I just found out about yet another theory which IDs Nimrod as Lugalzaggisi and Asshur as Sargon.Zestauferov 14:48, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Is it correct to call Nimrod "a king of Assyria"? After all, we have a pretty detailed knowledge of the history of Assyria from the Chronicles, and they mention no one at all like Nimrod. Shouldn't he be called a "legendary King of Assyria" or some such? To call him a king of Assyria assumes that the Bible is an accurate source for the history of 2nd millennium BC Mesopotamia, which seems highly debatable, and, at the very least, POV. john k 00:54, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Has anyone read David Rohl's Legend: the Genesis of Civilization and The Lost Testament? From what I picked up in this dubious apocalyptic essay, he seems to equate Nimrod with Enmerkar of Uruk; I presume this because some old legends identify Nimrod as the builder of the Tower of Babel, and the story of Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta has a couple of similarities to the Babel myth: a formerly unified language divided by divine intervention and the building of a great shrine. (The latter is not the cause of the former in the Sumerian version, though.) He also seems to identify Enmerkar/Nimrod as the origin of many ancient Near Eastern deities; this type of identification is not novel, but I suspect that the extent to which he takes it is. A summary of his theory, with proper context, would be beneficial: a long list of interpretationes attributed to "historians" in general—when in fact most of them come from one author of doubtful credibility—creates something of a misleading picture. —E. Underwood

Substantiating the Nimrod-Babel connection is a reference in Ether 2:1 in the Book of Mormon which states that when the Brother of Jared and company left the tower, they went to the valley of Nimrod which was northward and named after "the mighty hunter". Apparently somebody famous with that name was alive at the time. Possibly could have been known for his hunting prowess and his architectural skills.

Whitewashing African History

In the bible, Nimrod, the Nubian, is the son of Cush (East Africa), son of Ham (the Black or Burnt, Khem in Egyptian), son of Noah. So why are Ham, Cush and Nimrod portrayed as white? How neurotic and insecure does the concept of western civilization have to be, to not even be able to acknowledge the African origin, let alone contribution, to history and mankind? Please go and argue how the Dinka and Nuer are really white. So if Nimrod has to be portrayed - obviously we don't have contemporary representations - then he should be portrayed as Nubian. Also, Nimrod has been identified by some with Osiris, which makes sense, considering the names Ausar, Assur, Assyria. Also, the oldest cryptographic writing is found in Kish (the Kish Tablet), which is very near Babylon, which was founded by Nimrod according to Genesis 10. 83.84.100.133 (talk) 19:32, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

• Fascinating, isn't it. Drmies (talk) 15:16, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Being a character in a fictional story isn't actually a contribution to civilization. 82.10.143.238 (talk) 12:01, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

The Bible isn't fiction it's attested fact. 82.132.184.74 (talk) 02:16, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

You obviously have no idea about mainstream academic knowledge of the Bible, especially archaeology and historical criticism ("criticism" does not mean something bad, but source criticism, which is part and parcel of the historical method). Here at Wikipedia we don't behave like the Ivy League does not exist. tgeorgescu (talk) 03:02, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Or used for purposes of bad narrative, corrupting academic research. It's good not to be just a follower, and understand the structure of what is happening, rather than be anti-evidence. It's typical with the occultists to confuse things, which you find is not true after you stop being a true believer in the confusion. Look at my other posts here. Wiki is offensive. (talk) 10:20, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

What other posts? The account Wiki is offensive. has made exactly one post ever on Wikipedia — the post above. Have you posted using IPs or other accounts? Bishonen | tålk 10:39, 26 July 2023 (UTC).

There are good critigue of many ancient figures. However, when it comes to Ham and his children, there always seems to be a problem. Nimrod is the son of Kush and the Bible expounded on two points. First he build several cities, then all the great grandchildren of Noah appeared to make him their leader. The point to be made or consider is the confusion of languages. If that is the case, being an historian myself, need to be considered. Also, Moses who wrote the history centuries later.

Clementines eqated the king Ninus as Nimrod.(R 4.29) E. G. H. KRAELING wrote that EN-MARAD means Nimrod and cited from Professor Prince "...simply means "king (lugal) of Marad."The title "king," however, can be circumscribed by EN= "lord"(or NIN which in the older period also can mean "lord" and is basically the same word)." JAOS, XL (1920), 201 f.

My point is Europeans have a problem with anything related to Ham, or being Black. The proof is even their drawing,s always depicting Black people, to look White. There is a major cover up, what the Bible simply stated. That he built in his cousin, Asshur, future land and build Nineveh. This was all done before they separated because of the language barrier.

Europeans also change the letter C in place of the K that Afrikan people speak. Akkad in the KJV is Accad. There is more I could speak on about languages, but this subject is about that Nimrod did exist historically. The Bible is also an historically book. Some do not understand and that has again to do with language!

Marrian Stinson Mardeliz (talk) 08:08, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Kush is the ancestor of the kushite but he's not himself a kushite. So he wasn't black, same with Nimrod. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A03F:5018:7100:10E0:E1A2:9C3A:1545 (talk) 16:14, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

One sentence what you stated is not true. Kush was Black, and all of his brothers were also. You need to prove he wasn't, and why are you ashamed, by not providing your name.

Marrian Stinson. Mardeliz (talk) 08:14, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

The X-Men

Does a paragraph about an X-Men character really belong here? SlyGuyFox (talk) 06:14, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

"The son of Cush and therefore a grandson of Noah"

seriously? "therefore"? where did Ham go?

Alternate Location - Shenir(Lebanon) instead of Shinar(Iraq)

"The beginning of his kingdom was "Babel, Erech, Akkad and Calneh in the land of Shinar" -- Byblos, Arqa, Accho, Karne(Tartus) in Shenir(Lebanon)

On Nimrod's Akkad, this city seems to be Achar instead: https://www.studylight.org/encyclopedias/eng/kbe/a/accad.html "Ac´cad, one of the five cities in 'the land of Shinar,' or Babylonia, which are said to have been built by Nimrod, or rather, to have been 'the beginning of his kingdom' (Genesis 10:10). It seems that several of the ancient translators found in their Hebrew MSS. Achar instead of Achad, and it is probable that this was really the name of the city." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:581:C300:290:B8D1:9CC0:288:D9C9 (talk) 07:18, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

If Noah's flood is Ahmose Flood, and Nimrod is the great grandson of Noah... then his timeline is a generation or 2 before "Rib-Adda" in Byblos and Niqm-addu I in Ugarit. These names are close to the Greek spelling of Nebrod. And Rib-Adda mentions nearby Arqa in the Amarna letters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:581:C300:290:400B:8C07:91C1:32B1 (talk) 05:52, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Through triangulation, the timeline is 1458-1435BC.

"He is described as the son of Cush, grandson of Ham, and great-grandson of Noah." (1481-1458BC)

"being the father of Azurad, the wife of Eber and mother of Peleg (8:7)" (1458-1435BC)

"a confrontation between Nimrod and Abraham" (Ibiranu I - Ugarit - 1458-1435BC) (Ibiranu II - 1274-1251BC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:58B:E7F:8410:B4AF:F105:AB96:DA6D (talk) 04:08, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I do not understand your point. You provide many varation, that are confusing?

Marrian Stinson Mardeliz (talk) 08:16, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Nimrod

Gilgamesh actually could be Nimrod because Babylon was apart of Mesopotamia. 2603:6011:1607:B300:55C8:4BD8:5D0F:3829 (talk) 17:35, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

And what does Uruk have to do with Babylon? Dimadick (talk) 20:38, 26 June 2023 (UTC)