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September 23

Photos of living people

Hello. How does one go about uploading photos of living people to their infobox? I have started creating articles of the living and would like to add their photo, but the rules are different to the deceased. For example Juliet Harbutt or Paul Shearer - any suggestions gratefully received. BJCHK (talk) 04:54, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Just like photos of people who've since died, except that you cannot cite "fair use" for the use in any article of any photo that is neither in the public domain (as this term is understood in the context of copyright law) nor copyleft according to one or other of the licenses that are acceptable for en:Wikipedia. Suggestion: Meet these people and take photos of them. -- Hoary (talk) 06:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Hoary - will try that (the meeting thing would be tricky. I live in Hong Kong and these two people are in the UK and NZ!) BJCHK (talk) 07:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah, sorry about those geographical hurdles, BJCHK. The cheese lady says that in the past she was an "IT nerd"; this being so, perhaps you could persuade her to upload a selfie to Commons, as (truthfully!) her "own work". Google suggests that Shearer has a LinkedIn page. I'm not a member so can't see it, but perhaps you could persuade him to announce there that one of his photos of himself is copyleft (NB strictly according to Commons' requirements), or of course you could persuade him too to upload a selfie. -- Hoary (talk) 09:03, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@BJCHK WP:A picture of you may have something helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång this is such a helpful link - I will send it to them and see if it works. Thanks! BJCHK (talk) 10:00, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@BJCHK: You uploaded File:Peter Phillips (conductor).jpg a few weeks ago, and Peter Phillips (conductor) is living. You've also uploaded File:Peter Phillips and Steve Smith, co-founders of Gimell Records.jpg, File:Mark Isaac-Williams.jpg, File:Dustin Nicholls aka Astra Zero.jpg, File:Lindsey McAlister, theatre director.png and File:Graeme Mitcheson, sculptor.jpg, who are all living people; so, it's not clear why you're suddenly asking the above question. Did you take all of these photos yourself? Some of your other uploads like File:A gemel (or gymel) from the Eton Choirbook.jpg, File:Portrait of Mrs Claud Mullins.png, File:Bauhinia blakeana, watercolour painting by Mark Isaac-Williams.jpg and File:William Cobbett (1763-1835) bust.jpg seem to have questionable licensing. Are you aware that the term "own work" has a special meaning when it comes to image copyright, and that photographing someone else's creative work can be a case of c:COM:2D copying or c:COM:Derivative work? Did you, for example, take File:Amelia Behren-Furniss in standard diving gear.png back in 1921? -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Marchjuly In answer to your many questions:

• I contacted Peter Phillips, Mark Isaac-Williams, Dustin Nicholls, Lindsey McAlister and Graeme Mitcheson and asked them, as I had a point of contact for them. They all gave me images to upload with their permission.
• I took the photo of Mark Isaac-Williams' work with his express permission.
• I took the photo of William Cobbett's bust myself.
• Peter Phillips photographed the gymel directly from the Eton Choirboy and sent it to me to upload.
• I have tried contacting other people in the past with whom I have no link and have had very limited success. I didn't know if there was a way of doing this without this step, that's all.

Of course I didn't take a photo of Amelia Behren-Furniss in 1921 - I am still learning this and obviously made a mistake when I listed that image. I find this aspect of Wikipedia very tricky to navigate and can only try my best. I honestly found your reply rather unhelpful and not in the spirit of my question. I will continue to ask questions and take friendly help from those willing to offer it.

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång and @Hoary thank you for your suggestions.

BJCHK (talk) 09:57, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@BJCHK To take just one of your examples. File:Peter Phillips (conductor).jpg will be deleted on Commons later today in 7 days because although you say it was provided to you by Phillips with permission to upload it, you have not provided evidence of this to Commons Volunteers. To do that, you need to get Phillips to email them to say he did give such permission. The process is described at c:Commons:Volunteer Response Team. Similarly for all the other files you personally did not take. Don't worry if the files are deleted before the emails from the subjects arrive: Commons admins can undelete files. Make sure the emails state the file names you used and your username. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Michael D. Turnbull I will contact Peter and ask him to fill in the form. BJCHK (talk) 10:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@BJCHK: My apologies if my first post seemed a bit harsh, but image copyright can be tricky and it's easy to make mistakes. My suggestion to you is to maybe refrain from uploading any more images (particularly to Commons) until you've had a chance to read through c:Commons:Licensing and c:Commons:Copyright rules by subject matter. Mistakes are understandable, and most Commons administrators are willing to help people sort them out; however, Commons administrators may be less inclined to be lenient with those who've made so many mistakes and might feel stronger action needs to be taken. One important thing to understand about image copyright is the person taking the photo, not the subject of the photo, is considered to be the copyright holder and it's that person's permission Michael D. Turnbull is referring to. So, even if the subjects of these photos have told you its OK to use them, their consent would be meaningless if they didn't take the photos themselves or didn't somehow formally acquire the photos' copyrights from those who did. This is what Hoary was implying when he suggested Meet these people and take photos of them since that would make you the copyright holder and then you could license the photos as you see fit. Of course, things aren't always that simple in each and every case, but it tends to apply when it comes to taking photos of identifiable living people. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

How to find all my edits to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ subpages

I recall leaving several comments at an AfD nomination last year but I don't think I !voted so I haven't been able to find that specific AfD page using AfD Stats. Is there a tool/way to look up all my edits to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ subpages so I can find the lost page? Thanks in advance. Nythar (💬-🍀) 07:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@Nythar: Assuming you signed the comments, a search like this one should list all the AFD pages that you edited in 2023. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I found it. Thank you. Nythar (💬-🍀) 08:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

How to deal with awful articles?

In my time on Wikipedia I've come across a few (not many) truly horrible articles. Most of which should not be deleted, just very heavily altered. How do I go about doing this? Is there a way I can request help or draw attention to certain articles? Dr. Carrotflower (talk) 15:00, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@Dr. Carrotflower I don't think there is a general answer. If you don't want to nominate an article for deletion, perhaps because you recognise it is on a notable topic, then your first step should be to boldly edit it with improvements. If you find some sources it does not yet include but don't want to incorporate them yourself, it is helpful to add them to the associated Talk Page. That's also where you'll find any related projects that have stated an interest in the article. Each Project should have its own Talk Page with centralised discussion for interested editors: although some Projects are defunct. There is a process of WP:TAGGING pages to indicate problems but I'd advise you not to do that unless you are also prepared to work on the article before you tag it for any remaining problems. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:20, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@Dr. Carrotflower:The most direct thing you can do is to make the change yourself. Articles aren't going to improve themselves, they're only going to get fixed if editors make the necessary changes.

Understandably, you might not want to make that commitment. One alternative is to identify the problem and suggest specific changes on the article's talk page. However, don't hold your breath. But you can still feel that you've made your contribution, it's not your fault if nobody acts on your suggestion. Note that many articles have talk page archives, and if there's no activity regarding your comment on the talk page for some period of time, the concerns you express may fall into obscurity when your suggestions are moved to the talk page archive for that article.

You can also add the article to WP:Articles for improvement/Nominations. Note that this should be restricted to articles of some significance, as this is a comparatively elite list and your everyday "run of the mill" articles are perhaps not the best candidates for this list. Fabrickator (talk) 15:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

An article that is too far gone to be able to be salvaged may be nominated for deletion and deleted, even if it was agreed that Wikipedia should have an article on that (just not that article). After doing so, a new article may be started from scratch. See WP:TNT. Cambalachero (talk) 16:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm a little skeptical on the idea that an article is "too far gone", unless there have been changes to "reality" that made it "out-of-date". Just reset to some version before it was "too far gone" and voila, your articles is no longer as bad as it used to be. Fabrickator (talk) 16:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I interpret "too far gone" as meaning "in too dire a state to be rescued", not as implying that it was once better. It's very unusual for an acceptable article to become unsalvageable - even becoming out of date does not usually do that. ColinFine (talk) 17:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@Dr. Carrotflower, often the best way to solve this kind of thing is to remove the unsatisfactory content or to do a WP:BLAR to a related target. But I don't recommend that you, personally, do this yet. Leave it for when you have more experience with wikipedia editing, for two main reasons: one, you'll have a better sense for what other editors broadly agree is "too unsatisfactory to keep", and two, your removals will be much less likely to be contested or reverted without comment by people who think you're just out to vandalize the encyclopedia if you wait to do this until you're extended confirmed. Focus on building the encyclopedia for now. Save the major renovations for later. -- asilvering (talk) 18:15, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

If it's just badly written or organized, slap on a Template:Cleanup tag. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@Dr. Carrotflower:

1. Check the article's Talk page.
2. Start small, on a topic you are especially interested in improving.
3. Look for good secondary references.
4. Always, always add references for changes you make.
5. Freely delete any unsourced content.
6. Alway annotate each edit with an edit summary.
7. If you really believe content that is sourced should be deleted, add a short analysis paragraph to the corresponding Talk page.
8. Encourage other editors with polite and cheerful discussion!
9. Repeat steps until you have fixed everything ;-)

Johnjbarton (talk) 22:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Why does the heading of this table overlap the first data row?

Miss World Philippines#Titleholders has two tables, formatted the same way but with different numbers of columns.

In my browser, the first table's header rows are shifted down to obscure the first data row. It should look like the second table.

I'm looking at the wiki-markup and I cannot figure out why one table displays incorrectly and the other one doesn't. The markup for both looks correct to me. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:49, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Hmm, they look fine in an incognito window. Must be my user preferences. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Nevermind. It was the sticky table header setting in my preferences. Disabling that fixed the problem. I don't know why it affected only the first table, however. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@Anachronist: The tables are in a div with overflow:auto. It's the issue at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-StickyTableHeaders.css#Not working at The Economist Democracy Index#List by region. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:27, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I see. I wondering why that auto-overflow div is even needed. If the table is too big for the container, I get scroll bars, and whether the scroll bar is for my browser window or for a css container, both are equally bad. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:52, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Is There A Way To Mark That A Reference Is Region Blocked?

I've seen icons for PDFs and paywalled articles and so forth that visually mark articles in reference lists but I was reading an article now and wanted to go to one of the references and discovered it's region locked and I can't access it in my country. Is there a way to indicate this in a reference/citation? Watman (talk) 19:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I would be interested in the answer to this. There have been a couple of times when news sites in US say not available in your region (UK). Knitsey (talk) 19:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Agreed - some distinguishing text would be useful - several US sites are continuing to impose EC restrictions on UK readers - although the UK left the EU on 31 January 2020 - Arjayay (talk) 19:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

If the citation is using a H:CS1 type of template (e.g. {{cite web}}), the use of the |url-status=, |url-access= or |others= parameter might work as a way of letting readers know that access to the site has been regionally restricted. I believe those parameters work in most CS1 template and there's usually some general description on how to use them on a template's documentation page; for example, WP:URLACCESS could be set as |url-access=limited and then H:CS1#Others might be able to be modified as |others=Source cannot be accessed in country ABC or something similar. If adding such information within the template doesn't work too well, then adding some relevant text (perhaps as a parenthetical) after the template's syntax but before the closing WP:Reftag (e.g.<ref>{{CS1 template}} (text) </ ref>) probably would work. Same goes for citations added without using a template, relevant text should be OK to add to the template after the citation itself but before the closing ref tag. Trying to create a specific parameter for this kind of thing, though, probably should be discussed at WP:VPT given that such templates are widely used and even a minor mistake could cause tons of articles to be suddenly flagged for Help:CS1 errors. You'd also need to be sure that this is an issue not affecting just a single user or a few users, but everyone in the region. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

|others=Source cannot be accessed in country ABC Don't do that. It is a misuse of |others= which is intended to be used to name 'other' contributors to the cited work.

This topic has been raised before at Help talk:Citation Style 1 with never a consensus to implement. You can trawl that page's archives for the appropriate discussions.

The correct place to discuss changes/fixes/enhancements to the cs1|2 citation templates is at Help talk:Citation Style 1, not WP:VPT.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 20:49, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Trappist the monk for clarifying. For what it's worth, my suggestion was off the cuff and I'd a feeling that it might not work too well. In addition, thanks for pointing out the best place to discuss this. For those who might be interested, one of the discussions you mentioned above can be found at Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 94#Request url-status 'regional' for geographic IP restrictions. That discussion seems to indicate there are more similar discussions buried in that talk page's archives. Perhaps adding this type of query might be worth adding to WP:PERENNIAL if it's something that comes up a lot. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Showing the table of contents on the left for desktop UI

Hi. I've been using Wikipedia quite a lot but suddenly sometimes the table of contents (TOC) on the left is gone. The UI shows a small floating square in the upper left corner and if I click it the TOC shows. Also, on pages with the TOC, there is a small button next to "Contents" which says "Hide". I guess if I click the TOC will go away into the square. How can I unhide the TOC?? Thanks! Johnjbarton (talk) 21:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@Johnjbarton: If you click the square to display the TOC then there should be a "move to sidebar" button. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:05, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Thanks, I expected as much, however sadly there is no such button. Johnjbarton (talk) 22:15, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@Johnjbarton: I made some tests and the option disappears in narrow windows. I guess it's deliberate. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:52, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Bingo! I guess I set my browser zoom to +125% so I could read the print and that made the software go haywire. Once I reset the zoom the TOC came back and the "move to sidebar" reappeared. Thanks! Johnjbarton (talk) 22:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

New Article problem

Hello,

I have created several new pages for books in the past. I am attempting to create a page entitled "Unthinkable: An Extraordinary Journey Through the World’s Strangest Brains", but I keep getting an error stating the following:

This page is on the title blacklist, so only administrators, template editors, and page movers can create it.

I have never seen this error before. Can someone help me in clearing the blacklist so that I can create the page? (A draft is now visible in my sandbox, which you can use to verify that it is well-sourced and reliable). Thank you! Michelangelo1992 (talk) 22:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Methinks it's because of your apostrophe (the shameless, curved hussy). I get the message with it, but not if I use the Wikipedia-approved straight one. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

That's it. The red link Unthinkable: An Extraordinary Journey Through the World’s Strangest Brains makes an edit link with redlink=yes. This redirects to a non-edit page which doesn't explain it. If you click the "Create source" tab there then you get an edit link without redlink=yes and should see a detailed explanation. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

That makes sense! I have noticed before that all of my apostrophes get corrected by a bot later. Do you know how I can type the straight apostrophe directly? On my screen / keyboard, the apostrophe to the right of ";" appears as a straight apostrophe, but Wikipedia seems to think differently. Michelangelo1992 (talk) 00:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

@Michelangelo1992: I guess the keyboard makes a straight apostrophe but some of your software may convert it to curly, especially if you use a word processor to prepare edits. If you copy-paste text from somewhere then you may also get curly apostrophes without noticing it. There are different tools to edit Wikipedia but below the edit box you may have a menu where you can select "Insert" or "Wiki markup" and click a button to produce a straight apostrophe. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I have never noticed that "insert" button before. I will be sure to use that going forward. Thank you! Michelangelo1992 (talk) 01:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Michelangelo1992, one minor comment. I quote: "A review in the Washington Post [...] addresses directly the reader." No, this isn't what you meant to say, but there it is. ("The way the book addresses the reader directly"? NB I haven't read the review. Or indeed the book.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I have no idea why I typed that - I have fixed it. Thank you! Michelangelo1992 (talk) 00:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

September 24

CentralAuth Inquiry

Hey there! I'm inquiring about CentralAuth. Recently, I searched up my account on it, and it had the 'new account' tag next to my name. Is there a specific timeframe (e.g. one year), and after that it expires, or is it just going to be there forever? Henry (talk) 02:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Henry Herrmann-Friedrich I think your account on en Wikipedia is marked "new account" because it was set up as a new account, while your accounts on other Wikimedia projects are marked "created on login" because they were set up automatically through Wikipedia:Unified login, so your account on en Wikipedia will always be marked "new account". Hopefully that is written down somewhere. TSventon (talk) 03:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

That's right. CentralAuth is the unified login system for Wikimedia wikis. It's from 2008. Special:CentralAuth/Henry Herrmann-Friedrich has a green plus icon at en.wikipedia.org saying "new account" on hover. MediaWiki:Centralauth-merge-method-new-desc says "Indicates that the global account was created automatically when that local account was created." The text "new account" is probably permanent but an administrator like me could change it at MediaWiki:Centralauth-merge-method-new. My alternative account Special:CentralAuth/PrimeHunter2 has said "New account" at en.wikipedia.org since it was created in 2008. My main account Special:CentralAuth/PrimeHunter has a nice house icon instead at en.wikipedia.org and says "home wiki". The account was originally created in 2005 so it predates CentralAuth. Each Wikimedia wiki had separate accounts at the time. In 2009 my enwiki account was merged into the CentralAuth system and designated "home wiki" (MediaWiki:Centralauth-merge-method-primary). There are other possible values from the CentralAuth merge process at [1]. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I really appreciate the insight! Henry (talk) 04:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

IP user comment

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dronebogus/Basement&oldid=1217044646 -- Ooligan (talk) 04:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Why are you drawing our attention to random months-old posts on a random user page, Ooligan? --ColinFine (talk) 09:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

It looked like possible vandalism. The linked post is old, however the IP address has recently edited 14 days ago and I don't see a block. I read the request a block page, but I wasn't sure if this qualified for a block request, so I brought it here. I have never requested a block on wikipedia. My other option would have been to not mention it at all. -- Ooligan (talk) 14:49, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

@Ooligan: You didn't "bring it here" in your original post. You simply pasted a link to an historical version of a user's talk page and expected readers like ColinFine and me to work out what it is and why you are drawing attention to it, all under a cryptic heading. If you'd added your most recent commentary (and used a more meaningful heading), then everyone would be wiser from the start. Bazza 7 (talk) 16:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I've removed the offending comment. Usually IPs aren't blocked for long as IPs can be shared or recycled to new costumers, and in fact a costumer's IP often changes (not for all internet providers, but it's common), so unless the IP is a proxy, or there's persistent or egregious disruption (*or the IP or person using the IP has been blocked before) the IP will usually only be blocked for 31 hours, or 60, or a week; lengths like that.

Basically there's not much point in doing more now. – 2804:F1...F5:930E (talk) 22:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC) *edited: 23:34, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Changing label output name of a parameter in Speciesbox

In the Speciesbox of the Sinhala wikipedia, Its needed to change the parameter "clade's" output name to "ක්ලේඩය"; the native word for it. I cant seem to find the place to edit it. (i have changed other label names for genus and species but can't find the place to edit clade) VihirLak007 (talk) 08:56, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I can't find it, VihirLak007 - my guess is that it's buried somewhere way down in a module. (It's not in Module:Taxobox). Often if you can't find the source of something in a template, it's in Wikidata somewhere, but that seems unlikely in this case. I suggest asking at Template talk:Speciesbox. ColinFine (talk) 09:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

@VihirLak007: The linked page Speciesbox currently displays several "ක්ලේඩය" and no "clade". Is the issue resolved? If not then please link a page which displays an unwanted "clade". PrimeHunter (talk) 11:40, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

issues was resolved by an admin. VihirLak007 (talk) 11:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Information Relevant to Article?

I was working on Bedok MRT station and I came across this source that stated that a Mcdonald's outlet near the station increased its crew team in anticipation of the station's opening. I'm not sure if it's particularly relevant to the history of the station (although it is part of an article that details businesses anticipating more profit from the branch's opening day) but I do find it interesting. Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 13:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Imbluey2: This bit of information seems like something (at least to me) that would fall under WP:NOTEVERYTHING as not being all that encyclopedically relevant to the readers of Bedok MRT station. Perhaps there were other stores near the station that increased staff or made other changes in anticipation of the new customers they expected to receive when the station opened. A general statement on how the opening of the station impacted the surrounding area economically might be relevant information to include in the article if reliable WP:SECONDARY sources can be found in support, but simply mentioning a single McDonalds seems a bit WP:UNDUE (again in my opinion). -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:21, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@Marchjuly After digging further into the article, I did find out there was another business who anticipated for a lot of customers. However, I don't think there are other sources reporting this matter, so it's therefore irrelevant Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 12:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

donations

I would eagerly support Wikipedia financially IF they would cease their obvious Left-wing bias. History and Politics are ugly for all sides, and protecting one side only ruins the reputation PERMANENTLY. It would be nothing if everyone donated even $2 per month, yet, with the clear bias, Wikipedia is no longer a reliable reference source. 142.165.164.181 (talk) 23:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

First off, Wikipedia goes out of its way to state it is not a reliable source. It merely reports what reliable sources say. Second, Conservapedia is thataway →. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

On a different note: Wikipedia editors and Wikipedia admins do not receive any part of the donations, the donations go to the Wikimedia Foundation. Personally I think that's a good thing, means it's harder for people to pay for their narratives because editors are all individuals and doing this as volunteers. It does mean that there needs to be WP:CONSENSUS for things that a lot of people care about, between the people who care, on what articles actually contain though - and the interested people vary by article and topic. – 2804:F1...F5:930E (talk) 23:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

If you want to change what you see as the ideological bent here, you need to be here, participating. 331dot (talk) 23:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Need to change Page Title to a Proper Noun

We need to change "Jamaica association for the deaf" to Jamaica Association for the Deaf" because it is a proper noun and the name of an organization. I have not been able to find how to do this. Thank you in advance for your assistance. More02109 (talk) 23:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

The current title of the page is "Jamaica association of the deaf" which is incorrect. More02109 (talk) 23:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

(ec) I moved "Jamaica association of the deaf" to "Jamaica Association of the Deaf", then to "Jamaica Association for the Deaf". See WP:PAGEMOVE (maybe you don't have enough edits to do that?). Clarityfiend (talk) 23:34, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

picture copyright

Hello! I uploaded a picture on wikipedia (the 2024 Cook Out Southern 500 top picture) and I was wondering if the copyright status of the picture will be deleted if the track removes the picture on their website. will I still get in trouble? 45BearsFan (talk) 23:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 45BearsFan. I see no problems with the licensing of the logo and do not think that future removal of the logo will have any effect. It looks to me like you are acting in good faith and I see no reason that you would get in trouble. The logo is copyrighted and will remain so even if removed from other websites. Its non-free use on Wikipedia must comply with WP:NFCI #2 and it looks to me like it does. Cullen328 (talk) 02:02, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

September 25

Conclusory

Wikipedia seems to allow conclusory statements. Like someone is a “conspiracy theorist”.

Instead of labeling someone, simply prevent the facts and allow people to make their own determination.

With regard to any labels. 2600:8801:F000:5C0:0:0:0:3148 (talk) 00:23, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia reflects what is said in reliable sources about a subject. If the consensus among reliable sources is that someone is a conspiracy theorist, then that's what gets written; to purposefully exclude such a label even though it is widely used in reliable sources would be editorialising on our part, and that's something we try to avoid.

Do you have a question about a specific article? AntiDionysius (talk) 00:28, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

User:TyphoonAmpil/Lanterns.css

Hello can change the content model, CSS to Sanitized CSS? †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 05:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@TyphoonAmpil: It can only be changed by interface administrators. You can use {{Edit interface-protected}} on the talk page. If you create a .css page as a subpage in the template namespace then it automatically gets Sanitized CSS and keeps it if you move it to your userspace. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Redirect

recently OCDD created a redirect Chirag Sen to India national badminton team. Is it a valid redirect? Because this individual is not even notable, and creating a redirect page for it seems unnecessary. zoglophie^•talk• 11:32, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

A redirect does no harm, and he may be notable. I'm not all that familiar with badminton, but he's ranked in the top 100 in the world in singles. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Non-free fair use of deceased people

Would images of specific groups where one or more members had died be eligible for the non-free fair use rationale? Alternatively, would this only apply if all of the subjects had died? GeorgeMemulous (talk) 11:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

GeorgeMemulous they could be eligible, see WP:NFC#UUI and the infobox at Monty Python. You would probably get a better answer to this kind of question at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. TSventon (talk) 11:55, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Referencing isuue

Hi,

This is Yahya.from.pakistan451. I am struggling with different articles and found a large amount of reliable sources but I cant place them effectively. They are openly available. For e.g. I am writing article Chapati Hindustani Gamer (Draft:Chapati Hindustani Gamer, as is a draft still) where i added a lot of references with about 5 to 6 external sources. However my article is rejected 4 times that not enough references to support the topic. At least after my last edit on that article, I think that rejection is unfair. I am not going to submit it again until i get a response. I am also going to write an article on Pakistani music band "AUR" but im worried that even after a lot of work, it may also get rejected. Please consider my problem.

Thanks Yahya.from.pakistan451 (talk) 11:55, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@Yahya.from.pakistan451: The terminology Wikipedia uses here for not accepting your draft is declined; rejected would mean "stop editing as any further attempts would be a waste of time". You have been told to not use wikis as they do not demonstrate the subject's wikinotability due to being troves of user-generated content, and the subject's YouTube channel also would not demonstrate wikinotability due to its lack of independence from said subject. Not to mention the formatting is too much and goes against Wikipedia's manual of style, as well as the inappropriate addition of external links in the body of the draft. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@Yahya.from.pakistan451 You uploaded a photo of the Gamer to Commons, stating that it was your own work. Did you take that photo with your own camera? It is present on many webpages elsewhere, including this one. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:26, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Yahya. As a rough guide: make sure that every one of the sources that you propose to use to establish notability meets all three parts of the criteria in WP:42. If they do not meet all three parts, then they are useless for notability (and hence for getting a draft accepted). ColinFine (talk) 15:22, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Correcting a serious error.

There is a clear set of errors on this page: Sada Yacco

I have posted on the Talk page for that entry as follows:

"The details of the first tour make no sense. It is stated that they arrived back in Japan on 1 Jan 1901 and yet the dates for appearances at Loie Fuller Theatre in Paris are "July 4, 1900, to June 16, 1901; June 16 to November 3, 1901" and the two appearances in Belgium noted in this section were in November 1901. There is clearly an error here, but not knowing the actual correct dates I'm unable to edit it. "

I'm not confident that anyone will pick up on this and correct the error. Can an administrator maybe take over and sort out the issue?

Thanks, Simon Stagememories (talk) 14:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree that the dates don't make any sense. If you have an idea on how it would be corrected feel free to do so. Most of that article is sourced to a single book, which if anyone were in possession of it would make it trivial to correct. The page is not protected so anyone including you can edit it. Reconrabbit 14:43, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@Stagememories I think that User:Ineffablebookkeeper is an active editor likely to have that source and be able to sort this out. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:55, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

This isn't actually a source I have, strangely enough, although I may know some people who do have it. I'll see if they can verify the dates. —Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 15:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Note that this kind of thing is not part of the job of administrators. any editor can contribute, whether they are an admin or not. ColinFine (talk) 15:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

how to donate

My eyes are bad; tell me the link where to make a donation Kearney1429 (talk) 15:09, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@Kearney1429: See WP:DONATE. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

How to create a new page in Wikipedia?

Please guide me তিলোত্তমা রায় (talk) 18:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@তিলোত্তমা রায়: You're probably looking for Help:Your first article. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Since this is a brand new account with only one edit, it is probably best not to be creating new articles, as experience is needed to do this. And please make sure that the proposed new article is not about yourself, your employer etc.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:48, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

September 26

C. Lloyd Morgan

References number 3 and 6 are in red - they are journals I think so I don't know what I have done wrong. Please fix if able. Thanks 2001:4479:4F03:7700:6985:18B7:638D:D873 (talk) 00:10, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

As the message in red says, for {{Cite Journal}} you need to add "|journal=" along with the name of the Journal. If they are not journals, you need to use a different template. RudolfRed (talk) 00:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I have tried - but the word "Journal" is already there - I find this very hard. Sorry. Thanks regardless for your patience. 2001:4479:4F03:7700:6985:18B7:638D:D873 (talk) 01:24, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Journals have names. If you use Template: Cite journal, then you must provide the name of the journal, or you get an error message. If the publications are not journals, then use another template. Cullen328 (talk) 01:29, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

One of these references is for the sentence "[The article subject's] son, C. Lloyd Morgan, attended Clifton College, Bristol in the 1890s alongside R.N. Middleton." Why is the reader being told which school somebody's son went to? What's significant about having had this Middleton fellow alongside you when you went to school? ("R.N. Middleton" is linked to Middleton family, but to no particular place within the latter, perhaps because it doesn't mention him.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

C. Lloyd Morgan

Refs 3 and 4 are all wrong - please fix if you can. Thank you, 175.38.37.197 (talk) 09:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Have you not read the responses to your thread posted above, a few hours ago? Qcne (talk) 09:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Qcne: This is most likely Srbernadette, who is usually logged out while editing and asks at the help desk semi-frequently whenever they make the mistake of not adding |journal= when using {{cite journal}}, or when they accidentally add an extra 0 to the date and it throws an error as a result. This has been going on for years; searching for Lupton or Middleton in the help desk archives should give you an idea. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Need guidance

Where can I report a user with promotional username and spam linking to administrators... Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention, Vestrian24Bio, but be sure to read the small print at the top of that page before posting. -- Hoary (talk) 05:59, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Got it, thanks! Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:32, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Manual of Style for "notable people" lists

Can someone help me sus out if there is any established Manual of Style or guidelines for lists of "notable people" within articles? I'm specifically looking at Chinese people in Korea#Notable people. Would this fall under the scope of WP:APO/S, or does that standard strictly concern given name/surname list articles?

At present, the list looks a mess and is extremely hard to read.

If it falls under WP:APO/S I think it'll be fairly straightforward to strip out all the mess and bring it in line with that standard.

If it's not under WP:APO/S, my main questions would be:

• Should entries on the list who do not have their own Wikipedia article be removed? I'd assume if they don't meet WP:NOTABILITY, they're not qualified for a "notable people" list...
• What's going on with the "(Originally from)" parts? I haven't seen that in any other "notable people" list.
• Specifically for the band members section, when one band has multiple members that would be included in the list, should they each have their own entry in the list? Right now everything listed per group, not per person.

Feel free to direct me elsewhere if there might be a better place for this discussion. RachelTensions (talk) 02:56, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

It does seem to fall under WP:APO/S, so feel free to make the changes. If another editor oppose to or revert your changes, then hold a discussion at the associated talk page. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 12:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I think that the guidance you need is at MOS:LIST. The title section of APO/S shows it is about articles about surnames or given names or both. TSventon (talk) 13:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I was reading MOS:LIST but I didn't see anything relating to standards for lists of people so I thought APO/S might be the closet thing we have. RachelTensions (talk) 13:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Are you looking for WP:LISTCRITERIA? It is linked from MOS:LIST. TSventon (talk) 13:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

That helps, thanks! RachelTensions (talk) 13:18, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Two articles on the same person

I've encountered this situation before, but it's been so long I don't exactly remember where to go. I am 100% certain that Dan Robinson (American football) and Dan Robinson (politician) are articles about the same guy. Rusted AutoParts 03:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Rusted AutoParts: I agree sources say they are the same person. You could follow the process at WP:MERGETEXT or just tag them as at WP:MERGEPROP. TSventon (talk) 03:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jweiss11: Dan Robinson (politician) was created in 2006 and you created Dan Robinson (American football) in 2019. Would you be interested in merging your article into the older article? The 2022 obituaries in each article confirm that the politician and the American footballer are the same man. TSventon (talk) 12:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

TSventon, thanks for the heads up here. I went ahead and merged the two articles. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:46, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Jweiss11, @Rusted AutoParts: now sorted. TSventon (talk) 20:55, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks much, I intended to come back and begin the merge proposal but I got waylaid. Thanks @TSventon: for spearheading this. Rusted AutoParts 21:10, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Rusted AutoParts: I hoped that Jweiss11 would be interested in doing the merge as they had written one of the articles and they were. One loose end is that the Wikidata items should be merged, but there are two bot translated ar Wikipedia articles. I have asked an editor there if they can help. TSventon (talk) 21:26, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia project pages for requesting the splitting or merging of templates and modules

Which Wikipedia project pages can users like me go to, to request the splitting or merging of templates and modules, WP:TFD, or WP:SPLIT and WP:MERGE? PK2 (talk; contributions) 03:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Usually you can go to the wikiproject that is relevant to the topic of the templates or modules. There is also WP:WPT, but from its talk page it doesn't seem to be very active. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 12:52, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Can you comment on an RfC you started?

So, RfCs have to neutrally worded, unlike RM, AfD, etc. But, after you've posed the neutrally worded question, can you reply to your question with a response? Making it obvious that this is a response to the question (just by putting it in the normal format, i.e. "Support X because Y" on an indented line) </MarkiPoli> <talk /><cont /> 07:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@MarkiPoli Absolutely. Like you say, the question needs to be neutral, but in the discussion itself, you can have opinions. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:40, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

How to criticize a Wikiproject?

I've been annoyed by the WikiProject for where I live: Kuwait. Why? Because no efforts were made to fix tons of misinformation, stub articles and outdated information about Kuwait. Other than vandalising, how do I criticize the Wikiproject mentioned? FSlolhehe (talk) 14:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I suggest that you be bold and either join the project and / or fix the articles yourself. Let other editors know where help is needed the most, but don't make any personal attacks, and remember, there is no deadline for you or anybody else to edit Wikipedia. Also, it'd probably be wise if you didn't suggest your intentions to vandalize Wikipedia if nobody else fixes the articles. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:21, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@FSlolhehe: Editors are volunteers. They are judged by what they do, not what they haven't done. WikiProject Kuwait is just a few volunteers who have added their name to the member list. It doesn't make them responsible for the state of articles about Kuwait, and anyone can edit those articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:30, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict), WP:KW is tagged as semi-active, it may actually be inactive. As suggested at WP:INACTIVEWP you could post on its talk page asking if anyone minds marking it as inactive. If there are no objections, you could then add inactive to the {{WikiProject status}} template at the top of the WikiProject page. Generally on WP, people edit articles they are interested in, so if nobody is interested, poor quality articles do not get improved. TSventon (talk) 14:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Is there a way to grab whether a user is using dark mode or not?

For the purposes of a template. Just curious. Thanks in advance! Cessaune [talk] 14:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I need someone to find me a source cus i cant find any

Im need someone to get a source about the civil parish abolishment of Eastcotts because im trying to update the cardington page because it still says the raf is in eastcotts 94.194.31.200 (talk) 17:34, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I think you might have better luck asking at the Talk page for the article that you're hoping to edit. At least, you'll have better odds of finding other editors who are specifically interested in that topic. Other editors might chime in here with different suggestions. Good luck! DonIago (talk) 17:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

94, if no one here has a source for you, you might try asking at WP:RD/H, which is more suited to requests for research assistance. Folly Mox (talk) 17:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Although, refs 2 and 3 at Eastcotts seem to support the 1 April 2019 date. Folly Mox (talk) 17:55, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Ok ill try that 94.194.31.200 (talk) 17:59, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy links: Cardington Airfield (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (permalink) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:00, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Requesting repeal of blacklisted title

Cary Huang, co-creator of 2010's The Scale of the Universe, redirects to the latter on WP. However, the two brothers themselves--Cary and Michael Huang--do not; page creation is blocked by the title blacklist. About to file an appeal for redirect creation as soon as I'm told where to do so. (Via WP:BFDI--h/t WP:Deletion review/Perennial requests [h/t WP:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:K. Annamalai].) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:08, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

You can make a request at WP:ANB or WP:RFED. You might want to provide sources that show the brothers are notable together to get a better chance of getting approved. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 20:27, 26 September 2024 (UTC)