Talk:Number of the beast

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Number of the beast article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7: 31 days

The subject of this article is controversial and content may be in dispute. When updating the article, be bold, but not reckless. Feel free to try to improve the article, but don't take it personally if your changes are reversed; instead, come here to the talk page to discuss them. Content must be written from a neutral point of view. Include citations when adding content and consider tagging or removing unsourced information.

Christianity Low‑importance

	Christianity portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christianity on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChristianityWikipedia:WikiProject ChristianityTemplate:WikiProject ChristianityChristianity articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Bible Low‑importance

	Bible portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Bible, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Bible on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.BibleWikipedia:WikiProject BibleTemplate:WikiProject BibleBible articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Religion Low‑importance

	Religion portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Religion, a project to improve Wikipedia's articles on Religion-related subjects. Please participate by editing the article, and help us assess and improve articles to good and 1.0 standards, or visit the wikiproject page for more details.ReligionWikipedia:WikiProject ReligionTemplate:WikiProject ReligionReligion articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Occult Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Occult, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to the occult on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.OccultWikipedia:WikiProject OccultTemplate:WikiProject OccultOccult articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Spirituality Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Spirituality, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of spirituality-related subjects on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SpiritualityWikipedia:WikiProject SpiritualityTemplate:WikiProject SpiritualitySpirituality articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Ancient Near East Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Ancient Near East, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Ancient Near East related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Ancient Near EastWikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Near EastTemplate:WikiProject Ancient Near EastAncient Near East articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

COVID-19 section as

@Doug Weller: I understand your reversion of this edit: [1] and I almost reverted it myself for the very same reason (well sourced). However, upon really looking at the edit and taking a deeper look at what the section is saying, I actually agree with the removal. The section is about "hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia" which is specifically about the fear of 666, not just the "mark of the beast". This COVID-19 stuff, while true that it exists, is about masks and vaccination as being the "mark of the beast"; but it's not really about 666, as all the other items in this section are. So I actually agree with @Upwinxp: on this point. I hope I explained that clearly and would ask that you revert back (I felt it better to discuss as there was more room for clarifying exactly "why", rather than just reverting on my disagreeance). ButlerBlog (talk) 17:41, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done, but it looks as though it might be ok elsewhere. Doug Weller talk 18:38, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Butlerblog I've added it where I think it belongs. Doug Weller talk 13:23, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller: Thanks Doug. I'm still of the mind that this particular piece doesn't fit this article at all on the basis of topic (i.e. "Number" vs "Mark") as well not fitting the section as not being a "fear of" but rather an "identification of". On the other hand, I'm sure there are plenty of editors who see it as related enough to include here. I'm fine on it for now. ButlerBlog (talk) 16:49, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Butlerblog surely as the article talk about "mark" a lot and has a section "Mark of the beast" it belongs in the article? I may still have put it in the wrong place. Doug Weller talk 16:55, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As "Mark of the beast" is, in fact, a redirect to said subjection on this page, I think it properly relevant for that section, yes. 2001:56A:F1FA:1900:9E6B:FF:FE00:6596 (talk) 08:16, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Identical numbers

Who is it? There in the book of a prophet time has been given for the last days. And for his time he was a very righteous man praying three times a day and the Persian who wanted to see how he was praying. He interpreted the dreams of the king and he was highly regarded by heavenly being because of his understanding. They told him about the book of truth and that someone will be born and inherits a kingdom which will last forever and there shall be no end from his kingdom. In the prophesy They chose for his arrival time of 62 seven and 70 seven. In the middle of 62 and 70 is found 66 which 11×6=66 66×2=132 and 66×3=198 and 62+70=132, and it is 12×11=132 and 11×18=198.

66÷11=6  132÷11=12  198÷11=18
I see a pattern that 6 is in the middle of 6 and 6 where 6+6=12, 6+6+6=18 and the result is 6 6 6. Why would someone chooses three indetical numbers.

11+6=17 11×6=66 199.7.156.133 (talk) 09:26, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"prophet time" What does that mean? Dimadick (talk) 09:36, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Biblical Interpretation is "misinformation"? NO. I don't think so.

"During the COVID-19 pandemic, some groups associated COVID-19 vaccines and mask wearing with the mark of the beast, or that it was a microchip in the vaccine. Some religious leaders spoke out against this misinformation,"

It's really none of Wikpedia's fucking business if people want to interpret their Bible to mean this or that, in order to explain current situations. The arrogance of an Communist online encyclopedia describing other people's religious beliefs as "misinformation" is off-the-rails, and yet even more further evidence of the Communist nature of Wikipedia, and a real-life manifestation of Prophet Orwell's predictions. Further, if believing this thing or that about Covid is "the mark of the beast" is "misinformation", then what is the (politically) CORRECT interpretation of someone else's religious beliefs? Exactly how does Wikipedia presume to tell people what is either correct, or incorrect, about their religious beliefs?

2603:8081:3A00:30DF:59DB:B7E1:FF38:DE4B (talk) 17:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since Wikipedia is not a source of original research, the opinion of it being "misinformation" is that of the cited source(s), not Wikipedia's. If you don't like it, complain to the cited source. ButlerBlog (talk) 17:43, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grow up. Skyerise (talk) 20:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"A microchip in the vaccine" is misinformation, and that isn't an issue of Biblical interpretation. Egsan Bacon (talk) 20:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does the entry paint a full picture?

Hi, I saw a Numberphile video that said that the letters "Nero Caesar" add up to six hundred sixty-six in Hebrew numerology. While I think the passage could mean just about anyone, can we cite a scholarly consensus? Shushimnotrealstooge (talk) 00:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article already mentions the Nero Caesar theory and has seven citations for it. What change are you suggesting? CodeTalker (talk) 01:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake, I found it. Even so, it especially looks like the most plausible explanation taken with the parchment saying six hundred sixteen. If we can find a source that points this out, we can make it the lynchpin of the Wikipedia entry. Shushimnotrealstooge (talk) 12:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not really sure where you're headed with that, but 616 is also discussed (with sources) throughout the article (including in the Nero subsection). I'm concerned about your "most plausible explanation" statement. We're not here to decipher coded meanings of biblical texts here - just to summarize what reliable sources say. Anything else would be original research, which we do not do. ButlerBlog (talk) 14:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I highly doubt that most of the original research hasn't pointed this out, I really do. It seems cut-and-dry to me. Shushimnotrealstooge (talk) 17:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]