Talk:Tarpeian Rock

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"About 500 BC, Lucius Tarquinius Superbus, the seventh king of the Roman Republic" Was it still considered a republic while it still had a king? The Roman Republic article suggests that it wasn't a republic until after Superbus was overthrown. Also, can a more precise date than 'about 500 BC' be given, because the Roman Republic article says that, according to Livy, Superbus was kicked out at 509 BC

All these dates are completely approximate - there are good arguments for moving any of them plus or minus 50 years. In fact, some don't even think there was a single event of kicking kings out and founding a republic, and show evidence that it was actually a gradual change. So "about 500 BC" is as good as anything. Stan 01:23, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Should Tarquinius Superbus really be described as a "legendary" king, or should he be described as a king of Rome according to Livy, with a link to the Kings of Rome page? It's generally accepted that the more recent kings are probably at least some sort of historical figure.

Also, I had been under the impression that the legend was that Tarpeia fell off the Tarpeian rock? UnDeadGoat. 12 Jan 2005

Could just omit the "legendary" characterization altogether, let his own article expound on what might or might not be real - not really relevant here. Dunno where the falling-off legend might have come from, it's not in Livy, not even as an alternate explanation. Stan 04:47, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

There seem to be two articles called Tarpeian_Rock and Tarpeian_rock... one of those should be deleted.

Don't worry. One of them is merely a redirect (a link) to the other. --Heron 18:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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This article has one huge glaring mistake. I tried to correct it, but someone switched it back to the incorrect information. First the seventh king of Rome destroys the cliff? Then Titus Tatius takes the Capitoline Hill? Titus Tatius is called a co-ruler with Romulus, the first king of Rome. King Tatius takes the Capitoline Hill in response to the Rape of the Sabine Women during the reign of Romulus, THE FIRST KING OF ROME. How could a legendary character in the same time period as the first king of Rome take the Capitoline Hill AFTER the seventh king of Rome destroyed the cliff? It boggles the mind. Check Cary and Scullard, page 39. IN fact, check the Wickipedia article on Titus Tatius. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lkbarrett (talk • contribs) 02:48, 1 September 2006.

I agree, and I've added the contradiction tag. If Tatius died before Romulus (who, according to legend, died in 717 BC), how can he have taken the hill from Tarquin, who wasn't born until 200 years later? And what's the "at this time the Etruscan name Tarquinius was modified to the Sabine name Tarpeia" bit about? Someone fix this please. FiggyBee 07:00, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Every piece of Roman History that lies prior to the burning of Rome in the 300s BC as describe by the great Roman historian Titus Livius in the 6th Book of AUC is accounted for as Legenday by Livy himself, thus it is conventional and appropriate for the modern scholar to do the same. CrasVox 15:39, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the contradiction tag. It's based on a misunderstanding. The top near the rock was levelled, but the rock itself remained for years to come. Nandesuka (talk) 21:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

needs to have info about how cliff go boom —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flyingidiot (talk • contribs) 03:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Location of the rock

Has the location of the rock been established by recent research? This article confidently displays the exact location of the rock (there's a photo), but it's my understanding that there's no consensus on where it is (if some recent research has indeed established it, this should be mentioned in the article; otherwise, the article should mention that the location is unknown). Further, does the photograph even show a location that can be seen from the forum? If not, I'd say that the location shown is pretty much disqualified as a possibility! Why was this location chosen? The topography of the Capitoline and its surroundings have changed so much - both in ancient times and since then - that we can't go on appearances (either elevation or "rockiness"). I suggest the image is removed altogether, as even to have a possible location shown is misleading, especially as this misconception seems common: there are many such images of the rock's "location" on the web. RSGrainger 14 May 2016 —Preceding undated comment added 07:25, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thrown? Or buried?

In this article, it says that "[Tarpeia's] body was buried in the rock that now bears her name", but at Tarpeia (and also at The Rape of the Sabine Women) it says her dead body was thrown fro the rock. There's a ref here that she was buried alive (ref doesn't say where), there's no ref in those other articles for her body being thrown off the rock. So which was it? Either this article is wrong or those are, or maybe we don't know and should just elide the issue. Herostratus (talk) 18:09, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]