Talk:Murder by Numbers

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Removing the hypothetical comparisons

I think that unless someone involved with the movie directly says that they pulled from a specific murder as inspiration there shouldn't be any crimes in the header of the article. It's only hypothetical and is based upon the opinion of the page's editor. While there are some similiarities between those things, there are countless other cases that could be considered similar. Unless the writer/director/actor/janitor or someone else involved in the movie wants to make a definate statement we cannot include those in the article. We cannot make generalized statments based on someone's theory. I'm removing it from the header of the article. If someone wants to add it they need to either find proof or give a REALLY good reason as to why it should be included. The only way those could otherwise be included is if someone were to tack it on as a sub-category. (Even then they really should have references.) Tokyogirl79 (talk) 10:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)Tokyogirl79[reply]

Of course the Leopold and Loeb comparison will remain as that has a reference to confirm it's validity. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 10:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)Tokyogirl79[reply]

Ignorant

This article starts well but gets into a downspin immediately. While the connection to the Leopold Loeb case is made obvious it seems to remain a fantasy of the author that there is a connection to Columbine and Dartmouth. Further - and this is even more incriminating - there is no attempt to even demonstrate a connection.

And this combined with the other previous comments below - complete with their excellent demonstration of the authors' agility in what they think is the 'English language' - gives one an overall rather depressing feeling.

Perhaps it is best as one pundit recently put it: leave the warning labels off OTC drugs and let the issue solve itself.

Other 'Comments'

Could anyone give me an analysis of the movie's two main characters, focusing on 'white privelage' and 'anti-social' characteristics, please?

I feel the connections to the three crimes are tenuous at best, and there are no references supplied to link them to said crimes. Especially as the article claims that the Columbine shootings were done to gain popularity, while the killing in the film was supposed to be the "perfect murder" (ie, the killers would never be known).

The whole "Based On" section is total speculation and unverifiable claims, and also is written very poorly.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADD MORE INFO - IN PARTICULAR, HOW IT REFLECTS AMERICAN SOCIETY AT THE TIME THIS FILM WAS MADE, AS WELL AS HOW IT FITS (AND ALSO MANIPULATES) THE CRIME FICTION GENRE.

The Police?

If you are all crying about influences and cultural significance, I think it's somewhat important to mention that the movie takes it title from the song of the same name released by The Police.

It seems clear that the authors of this article either ignored this, or they are too young to have ever heard the song I'm talking about.

Furthermore, the movie is not really related to any of those listed incidents, as other users have pointed out. For Christ's, the lyrics of 'Murder by Numbers' are even more closely related to the movie, seeing as though the song seeks to explain a perfect murder. Take a look:

Once that youve decided on a killing, First you make a stone of your heart, And if you find hands are still willing, Then you can turn a murder into art.

There really isnt need for bloodshed, You just do it with a little more finesse, If you can slip a tablet into someones coffee, Then it avoids an awful lot of mess.

Its murder by numbers one two three, Its as easy to learn as your abc.

Now if you have a taste for this experience, And youre flushed with your very first success, Then you must try a twosome or a threesome, And youll find your conscience bothers you much less.

Because murder is like anything you take to, Its a habit-forming need for more and more, You can bump off every member of your family, An'd anybody else you find a bore.

Because its murder by numbers one two three, Its as easy to learn as your abc.

Now you can join the ranks of the illustrious, In historys great dark hall of fame, All our famous killers were industrious, At least the ones that we all know by name.

But you can reach the top of your profession, If you become the leader of the land, For murder is the sport of the elected, And you dont need to lift a finger of your hand.

(source: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/p/police/murder+by+numbers_20110086.html)

Plot

Needs completely re-done. Any takers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolsharkymd (talk • contribs) 05:47, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]