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Sports?!?

The first sentence of the Sports section says...

The sports featured at the 2004 Summer Olympics are listed below.

But the sports aren't listed below... where did they go? Ben 01:01, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The list was vandalized. I've fixed it. -- Jonel | Speak 02:47, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

UNITY album?

Shouldn't there be something said about these 2 CDs? I can't find anything about the CD on wiki and some songs on that CD should be new too even Utada Hikaru's english song with other artists. Bakahito 17:57, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Exchange of flag

In the article one can read

"A significant part of the closing ceremony was the exchange of the Olympic flag of the Antwerp games between the mayor of Athens and the mayor of Beijing, host city of the next Olympic games."

However, in the Olympic Flag article, it says

"The Antwerp flag was presented to the IOC at the 1920 Summer Olympics by the city of Antwerp, Belgium, and at the Closing Ceremony of the 1984 Los Angeles Olympic Games, was passed on to the next organising city of the Summer Olympics (the Games of Seoul 1988), when it was retired. The Antwerp Flag is now on display at the Olympic Museum in Lausanne, Switzerland. (...) The Seoul flag was presented to the IOC at the 1988 Summer Olympics by the city of Seoul, South Korea, and is passed on to the next organising city of the Summer Olympics."

So I believe this is incorrect in this article? Could someone verify this?

--Cheezycrust 16:14, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with images

I've been noticing that a number of images of the flags are not appearing on my computer screen, is anyone else having this problem? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.129.132 (talk) 04:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sport templates

I think it's a terrible idea to have the overal Olympic template at the bottom of each of the sport pages. It clutters up the page (even if there is an option to hide it) and is not necessary to go from one olympic games to the next. These templates should be deleted. Perakhantu (talk) 04:08, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Impact on Greek economy

There is no mention of the olympic games impact on the Greek economy. Is it mentioned in another article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.113.226.6 (talk) 18:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just added a section "Economical impact on the city" TheFinalSay (talk) 00:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Number of participating countries

The infobox says that 201 NOC's participated, which is conform the data in the reference olympic.org. The article itself 2004 Summer Olympics#Participating NOCs lists 202 NOC's (I counted them), both in the table as in the text. Where is the error? Miho NL (talk) 12:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody? Miho NL (talk) 15:25, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The official report for these Games is now online here, so the definitive answer can be found somewhere in there. I haven't looked at all 202 articles in Category:Nations at the 2004 Summer Olympics either, to see if there are nations who have no results (i.e. no athletes actually competed), but that might be a useful task to answer this question. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 18:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That country is Djibouti - according to The Complete Book Of The Olympics Games, neither of their athletes competed. I've also cross-referenced that with Djibouti at the 2004 Summer Olympics and the BBC results pages that they entered (men's 800m and women's 1500m), and neither of them competed. DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) (talk) 14:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Controversies

Shouldn't there be a section on "Controversies"? It ain't like there weren't one or two... (eg. athletes going awol before doping tests, etc - i won't list them all, but y'all know em). 62.176.111.68 (talk) 14:03, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that there should be a section like this. Paul Hamm winning the gold medal do to a scoring issue should also be included. TheFinalSay (talk) 00:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Medal Count Section Location

It seems to me that the medal count section is placed too early in the article. It would be more intuitive to place it after the "Sports" section in my opinion. It's odd to see it right after the TOC. The 2000 Summer Olympics has the medal tally after the sports section. Any comments? H1nkles (talk) 20:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bid and Preparations enhancements

This section encompasses a lot of different subjects. I can identify two that could have their own heading, or sub-heading at least. Namely, the issues related to security, and the reality that the preparations for the 2004 Games fell woefully behind schedule. These were significant issues in the years running up to these games. Flushing out these subjects with research would enhance the overall quality of this article. Also it would be important to recognize that the Greeks did complete preparations for the Games on time and that there were no major security compromises during the games. H1nkles (talk) 22:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but the real challenge is to explain the Greek paradox: Falling woefully behind schedule, but still having everything on time!

Seriously now: In Greece there have been extensive discussions about the costs of the works, and about the lack of concrete plans concerning their future utilization after the games. But I am not sure if this falls within the article's topic.--Yannismarou (talk) 19:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In reading further in the article there is some time devoted to the truncated schedule that these venues and infrastructure were on in order to be completed. I agree that this article deals primarily with the event of the Olympics rather than the impact the Olympics may have had, and continues to have on Greece. H1nkles (talk) 22:31, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unreliable numbers

The "number of participants" listed in the "Participatng NOCs" section includes some very unlikely numbers, such as 372 participants for Georgia (c.f. 35 this year). This and many other of these numbers were added in this edit, an anon IP which has never edited before or since. I've checked a few of these against the number of competitors listed in the infobox on the relevant <country> in the 2004 Olympics article and none of them agree. So if anyone cares about sports statistics these really all need to be checked and revised. Unfortunately I wouldn't know where to start looking for reliable sources on this... PaddyLeahy (talk) 14:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're right - the numbers are wrong. I updated this section recently (just the missing numbers - I assumed the rest was correct) with data I found on this site: http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/countries/ If you'd like to have a go updating it - go ahead. If not, I'll onto it in the next day or so. David T Tokyo (talk) 16:27, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone had also just removed Russia from the medals table; I added them in with the correct numbers. While such speculation is somewhat worthless, possibly related to recent political occurrances in Caucasus witht he added Georgian numbers. Please keep politics out of historical truth. 88.195.189.233 (talk) 03:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Highlights?

All the other Olympics pages from at least 1968 onwards (and perhaps excluding the 2000 page) have a section for "highlights" of the Games. I think this really makes the page worthwhile and is the best section on all these Olympic pages. Would anyone be willing to start one or collaborate on one?Juggertrout (talk) 22:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've added a small list. Feel free to add. Pictures would be nice.Juggertrout (talk) 17:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy

It is completely untrue that 21 out of the 22 Olympic Facilities are unused after the Olympic games, and even the Yahoo Sports article that was cited which offered this statistic later removed this figure from its article. It can be verified that many of the facilities are in use, while others are in the process of being turned over to the private sector and/or converted to non-athletics uses. To say, however, that the facilities are abandoned and lie in ruin is patently false, and to say that this should "serve as a lesson" for future Olympics bids is a distortion of reality and is also injecting editorializing into what is supposed to be an objective, factual article about the Athens 2004 Olympic Games. As far as the Olympic facilities are concerned, www.olympicproperties.gr is one of many sites that provides a great overview as to how the facilities are used in the post-Olympics era in Athens, and many facilities have their own websites as well (www.oaka.com.gr for the Olympic Stadium, www.badmintontheater.gr for the Badminton Theater, etc.). But again, most facilities ARE in use and this can be verified. 72.229.159.142 (talk) 17:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You may be right - but I wasn't aware of any Yahoo article. I think the original one that was posted that raised this whole issue was the Daily Mail article [1]. It certainly looks from the photos in this article as if the Olympic site has problems. I've no idea who is telling the truth - the Daily Mail is a newspaper that loves nothing better than to scare people into thinking something is a problem. Then again, it would seem to me that all of the links you've listed would have a vested interest in saying that there wasn't a problem. Is there any other independent source that can verify exactly what the sitution is? David T Tokyo (talk) 18:09, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The key issue here is that there are 3 independant sources commentating on the area being in a state of disrepair and the only sources you have saying otherwise are websites directly related to the venues. In order to change this paragraph you would need to provide reliable 3rd party sources. - Basement12 (T.C) 18:19, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "independent" sources are completely wrong. I don't see what the problem is with using websites that are directly related to the venues, especially when they do list events that have taken place there since 2004. I would think that the venue website would provide a more accurate view into how the facility is being used than some "independent" observations that took place during a sample of a few days. And to say that 21 out of the 22 facilities are not in use is blatantly wrong. Below, please find websites that detail how the facilities are used:

http://www.olympic.org/uk/news/olympic_news/full_story_uk.asp?id=2229 - Article from the International Olympic Committee, describing how many of the Athens Olympic venues are in use today (including the Main Press Center, now home of the Greek Ministry of Health and Social Welfare, and the Ano Liosia Wrestling Center, which will become a home to new cultural institutions such as the National Digital Archive - this information is consistent with what is written on www.olympicproperties.gr)

http://www.pao.gr/ - Website of Panathinaikos FC, which plays its home matches at the Olympic Stadium http://www.aekfc.gr - Website of AEK FC, which plays its home matches at the Olympic Stadium http://www.tsiklitiria.org - The Tsiklitiria Track & Field Meet, an IAAF Golden League Event which is held each year at the Olympic Stadium http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_civ_2_30/05/2008_97189 - Bjork Concert held at the Olympic Basketball Stadium in Athens in July 2008 http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_civ_2_11/06/2008_97564 - Madonna Concert to be held in September 2008 at the Olympic Stadium http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_UEFA_Champions_League_Final - UEFA Champions League Final held at the Olympic Stadium in 2007 http://www.paobc.gr - Website of Panathinaikos BC, which plays its home matches at the Olympic Basketball Stadium http://www.aekbc.gr - Website of AEK BC, which plays its home matches at the Olympic Basketball Stadium http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/ - Website of the FIBA Olympic Qualifying Basketball Tournament, which took place at the Olympic Basketball Stadium in July 2008 http://apolisports.blogspot.com/search/label/Cycling - Greek Cycling Championships, taken place in 2006 and 2008 at the Olympic Velodrome http://www.oaka.com.gr/articles_list.asp?e_lang_id=0&e_cat_serial=001011001001008&e_cat_id=324 - List of Cycling events that have taken place at the Athens Olympic Velodrome http://www.oaka.com.gr/articles_list.asp?e_lang_id=0&e_cat_serial=001011001001009&e_cat_id=325 - List of Tennis events that have taken place at the Athens Olympic Tennis Complex http://www.oaka.com.gr/articles_list.asp?e_lang_id=0&e_cat_serial=001011001001005&e_cat_id=321 - List of Aquatics events that have taken place at the Athens Olympic Aquatics Complex http://www.athenstennisacademy.gr/eng/gallery.html - Website of the Athens Tennis Academy, and photos of their usage of the Athens Olympic Tennis Complex http://www.olympiacos.org/#/Basketball/TrainingCenter/SEF/ - Website of Olympiakos BC, which plays its home games at the Peace & Friendship Stadium http://www.sef-stadium.gr/index.files/Page1937.htm - List of events that have taken place at the Peace and Friendship Stadium http://www.panioniosbc.gr/index.asp?a_id=90 - Venue information for Panionios BC, which plays its home games at the Hellinikon Basketball Stadium http://www.sport.gr/default.asp?pid=96&scid=264&cid=2216 - Home games listing for Ethnikos FC of the Greek Second Football Division, which plays its home games in the converted Hellinikon Baseball Facility http://www.olympiacos.org/#/Football/TrainingCenter/Karaiskaki/ - Website of Olympiakos FC, which plays its home games at Karaikskaki Stadium http://www.karaiskaki.gr/hellas_gr.asp - Website of Karaiskaki Stadium, listing events that have taken place there in addition to the Olympiakos football matches (events listing here: http://www.karaiskaki.gr/events_gr.asp) http://www.iraklis-fc.gr/swift.jsp?CMCCode=0202&extLang= - Website of Iraklis FC...this page shows venue information for the team, which plays its home matches at Kaftanzoglio Stadium http://www.kaftanzoglio.gr/activities2.html - Kaftanzoglio Stadium website, listing venue and event information (unfortunately listing events only up until 2006, but the stadium is still in full use today) http://www.apollonkalamariasfc.gr/en_pages/squad/squad.htm - Team photo of Apollon Kalamarias FC, which is temporarily using Kaftanzoglio Stadium as its home field (stadium is visible in the photo). There is also a match summary for the 2007-08 football season (in Greek), here, listing the home stadium as the Kaftanzoglio: http://www.apollonkalamariasfc.gr/pae/agonistiki_historia/historia-2007.htm http://www.ofi.gr/game.aspx?game_id=185 - Game information from OFI Crete, showing the Pancretan Stadium as the home field http://www.stadia.gr/pankritio/pankritio-gr.html -Third-party stadium information for the Pancretan Stadium, listing it as the home field for OFI FC and Ergotelis FC of the Greek first division http://www.ergotelis.gr/ergotelis/frontend/Index.iworx?module=tickets&page=34&option=form - Ergotelis FC team ticket information with the Pancretan Stadium as the home field http://www.medgames.net/ - Website for the Mediterranean Games, listing the Mediterranean Games of 2013 which will take place in Volos and Larissa and the Opening Ceremony stadium as the Panthessaliko Stadium in Volos http://www.panachaiki.gr/site/index.php?op...9&Itemid=66 - Website of Panahaiki FC of the Greek third division, listing ticket information for the Panpeloponisiako Stadium in Patra, and venue information for the team here: http://www.panachaiki.gr/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=1 http://www.avopolis.gr/live/default.asp?ID=795 - Article about the Isaac Hayes concert at the Faliron Olympic Complex http://siteseein.gr/2006/11/morrissey.html - Article about the Morrissey concert at the Faliron Olympic Complex http://www.badmintontheater.gr/ - Website of the Badminton Theater (former Goudi Olympic Complex), with a full lineup of events taking place there currently and in the past http://www.unipi.gr/anak-ekd.php?prkaID=1279 - Press release from the University of Pireaus, announcing the acquisition of the Nikaia Weightlifting Hall as a new addition to the University of Piraeus campus http://www.lamda-development.net/online/Projects.aspx?MenuCategId=172&MenuModuleID=36&MenuModuleTable=Real_Company&LevelNo=1&PageCounts=1 - Website of Lambda Development, a Greek real estate and construction group, describing its conversion of the International Broadcast Center to a shopping center and site of the Hellenic Olympic Museum, to open late 2008 http://www.hunterjumpernews.com/?p=5148 - Article describing an international equestrian event held at the Markopoulo Olympic Equestrian Centre http://www.worldrowing.com/display/modules/events/dspEvent.php?eventid=35081 and http://www.eurorowing-2008.com/ - Official Website of the European Rowing Championships 2008, which will take place at the Shinias Olympic Rowing Complex in September 2008 http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588 - An article from the daily Eleftheros Typos newspaper in Greece, describing how many of the Olympic facilities are in use today. The article is in Greek only unfortunately, but facilities described include: Galatsi Olympic Hall, Ano Liosia Olympic Hall, Olympic Rowing Centre in Shoinias, Olympic Fencing Hall, Beach Volleyball Stadium, Faliron Olympic Complex, Panthessaliko Stadium, Canoe-Kayak venue in Hellinikon, Hellinikon Baseball field (converted), Hellinikon Basketball stadium, Olympic Aquatic Center, Olympic Velodrome and many other facilities. Finally, www.olympicproperties.gr provides a detailed overview of many of the Olympic Facilities and how they are in use today or how they are proposed to be used.

None of the articles made any mention of the infrastructure improvements and public works which also took place in Athens in the leadup to the Olympic Games, which are all still in use by Athenians 24-7, including the metro, tram, suburban railway, new international airport, the pedestrianized historical center, and the Attiki Odos ring road around the city. Neoellinas (talk) 20:26, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, some of this shows that the venues are in use. But this is not reason to delete the whole section on legacy, some of it is still correct and you need to go through the rest and add info on what is still in use and reference it as you have done above. Basement12 (T.C) 20:40, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I second that opinion:

to be fair, one should mention the cost controversy in a less lenient way, also linking to the 2010 European sovereign debt crisis section of Wiki, in the light of the dramatic debt problems revealed in 2010. Please just look at the following sources to remind you how it all started: [2], [3]--90.10.194.78 (talk) 17:42, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Fixed. _{El Greco}^(talk) 19:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Too many flags!

- This discussion has been linked to from Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Olympics#Too_many_flags.21

Hi. I like the look of the flags and the way they've been used really adds something to the article. However, the section 2004_Summer_Olympics#Participating_NOCs contains a huge number of flags and my computer is really struggling to show them all, thus affecting the overall readability of the article.

Also, I think the flags in this section are far less helpful than in other sections: in other sections, where there are just a few countries being referred to, the flags help give a "visual summary" if you're only browsing. In the Participating_NOCs section, however, a significant proportion of the countries in the entire world are being represented and the images don't seem to serve any useful purpose except to look pretty.

Given that the only benefit of the flags that I can conceive of is visual attractiveness, and also given that this many images causes me (and therefore presumably many other readers) issues with actually getting to the useful content, I propose removing the flags from this section of the article.

If anyone knows of any guidelines that relate to this issue, I'd be very interested to see them. GDallimore (Talk) 14:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to agree. Maybe it's a good idea though to take it up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics as it concerns all the Olympic articles. Of course, for the times when far fewer countries participated (like at 1908 Summer Olympics#Participating nations), the flags are much less in the way. As for guidelines, WP:MOSFLAG is what we have to consider. —JAO • T • C 09:13, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I saw MOSFLAG, but it didn't seem very helpful. Although I guess: "Do not emphasize nationality without good reason" might cover it - what is the reason to use the flags in this particular section of the article?

I highlight this discussion at the wikiproject. Thanks. GDallimore (Talk) 10:14, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You might have been experiencing the problem on Commons yesterday, where image servers were slow to render. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 14:29, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly, but the question remains: what is the benefit of having the flags in this paricular section of the article? If there is none, why not lose them so that server problems don't affect the rest of the article? GDallimore (Talk) 15:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Would one of those hide/show box features be any good there so the flags/countries could all be listed still if people chose to show it? Whilst its not vital that flags be displayed, i think its better to see the flags than a block of text of country names, especially as flags are used a huge amount in international organisations, especially sports. BritishWatcher (talk) 21:33, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]