Talk:West Virginia

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Date of Statehood

The article states "West Virginia became a state following the Wheeling Conventions of 1861, at the start of the American Civil War." That's a false statement. West Virginia became a state on June 20, 1863. SimpsonDG (talk) 04:11, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

@SimpsonDG: If you can find reliable sources to back this up, then edits can be made. Currently, the statement you claim is false is sourced. The article currently says that the 1863 date is when WV became part of the Union. Airplaneman (talk) ✈ 04:46, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

I suppose the problem here is with the phrasing, "became a state". Airplaneman (talk) ✈ 04:54, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

@Airplaneman: No wonder Wikipedia is so full of errors. All it takes is for someone to claim to have a "source" for something that is easily checked and found to be false. If you actually check the claimed source [26] shown in the article, you'll see that there is no place where it says that "West Virginia became a state following the Wheeling Conventions of 1861," nor is there even any mention of the Wheeling Conventions or of 1861. Yet there must be thousands of reliable sources stating that West Virginia became a state on June 20, 1863. (1) West Virginia Department of Arts, Culture, and History: http://www.wvculture.org/history/archives/statehoo.html (2) West Virginia: A History by Otis K. Rice, p. 153 (U. Kentucky Press, 1985); (3) West Virginia Governors by John C. Morgan, (2nd ed., Charleston Newspapers, 1980) p. 10; (4) The West Virginia Encyclopedia, Ken Sullivan (ed.), p. 338 (West Virginia Humanities Council, 2006); (5) The Encyclopaedia Britannica, Volume 12 ("West Virginia"), 15th ed.; (6) The flag of the state of West Virginia itself clearly shows the date of statehood: June 20, 1863. And many more: just about any encyclopedia, almanac, or history book you care to pick up. And there's no dispute over what's meant by "became a state." It can only mean "officially admitted to the Union as a new state." I'd fix this myself, but I don't edit Wikipedia anymore. SimpsonDG (talk) 05:45, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm going to come out of retirement very briefly and fix this. The first two sentences in the second paragraph read: "West Virginia became a state after the Wheeling Conventions of 1861, at the start of the American Civil War. Delegates from northwestern Virginia's Unionist counties decided to break away from Virginia, which also included secessionist counties in the new state." That is a completely false statement. West Virginia became a state on June 20, 1863 (as shown in the many references indicated above). Just because this sentence is "sourced" doesn't make it true. In fact, I have a copy of the claimed "source" (Foner, Eric, Reconstruction: America's Unfinished Revolution, 1863–1877, Harper, 2002, p. 39) and it's phoney. NOWHERE in the book is there even any mention of the "Wheeling Conventions". Since the sentences are proveably false and the "source" is phoney, I'm deleting these sentences. As "Airplaneman" indicates above, "If you can find reliable sources to back this up, then edits can be made." I have (see above), and so I'm going to make the edits myself. SimpsonDG (talk) 02:18, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

"Virginie-Occidentale" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Virginie-Occidentale and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 19#Virginie-Occidentale until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TartarTorte 00:43, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Somone put in the non-rhotic pronunciation. I added the rhotic one, which would be usual in the state. Kostaki mou (talk) 03:54, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

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West Virginia is a state in the Southern or Mid-Atlantic regions of the United States. It is the 10th-smallest state by area and ranks as the 12th-least populous state, with a population of 1,793,716 residents. The state was formed in 1861, comprising a number of counties which separated from the state of Virginia after the latter had seceded from the United States. West Virginia was admitted to the Union in 1863, and was a key border state during the American Civil War. The state is noted for its mountains and rolling hills, its historically significant coal mining and logging industries, and its political and labor history. It is also a popular tourist destination. Charleston is the capital and most populous city of the state. This 1876 illustration of the Seal of West Virginia was produced by Henry Mitchell as part of a series titled The State Arms of the Union.

Illustration credit: Henry Mitchell; restored by Godot13

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October 1861 vote totals

In the October 1861 election the article says that "18,408 votes were cast for the new state and 781 against." But the graphic showing the vote by county has only two counties (Monogalia and Preston) where the yes votes exceeded 50% of the total. Many counties don't show any votes for statehood. What's going on? I looked up the source, only to figure out that much of this history is taken nearly verbatim from the Encyclopedia Brittanica's poorly written article on West Virginia. There's no source for the graphic, so I have no idea where the data came from. MiguelMunoz (talk) 03:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Many counties had no vote on statehood. The percentages in red show what percent of that county voted for statehood, relative to the number of voters in that county. The vote results can be found in Richard O. Curry's book "A House Divided". The number of voters in each county was taken from the 8th United States Census. The vote was poorly attended, so few counties had over 50% in favor. See this page from the WV Archives https://archive.wvculture.org/history/statehood/statehood10.html Dubyavee (talk) 03:44, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Union soldiers during statehood vote

The article claims "The election results were questioned since the Union army then occupied the area and Union troops were stationed at many of the polls to prevent Confederate sympathizers from voting." but the source is an article from 2007 that itself doesn't cite any sources and as a governmental source is subject to the biases of the elected officials at the time. Given the article no longer appears on the site (and presumably the issuing organization no longer stands by it) I don't think this line can be adequately sourced anymore. Ulrichomega (talk) 14:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I updated the link Dubyavee (talk) 16:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)