Talk:Eye of Sauron (disambiguation)

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Sauron's eye is not an eye in any physical sense, at least not in the book. That conception of the eye of Sauron exists only in the first two movies. RK

One of the oddest changes from the book is that Sauron doesn't have a body; Saruman tells Gandalf that he isn't yet able to 'take physical form'. It's hard to see how this could be true - what use would the Ring be to Sauron, if he didn't have a finger to wear it on? The book makes it very clear that he does have a physical form - 'He has only four {fingers} on the Black Hand, but they are enough', says Gollum in The Two Towers, and this is confirmed explicitly by Tolkien among his letters. Actually, this does seem to be a misinterpretation rather than a deliberate change, because Peter Jackson has himself described Sauron in at least one interview as being a no more than a floating eyeball. (Source: The Fellowship of the Ring: A Movie-goer’s Guide, from The Encyclopedia of Arda)

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Is it really a change from the book? After all, the opening scene depicts Sauron in physical form. He lost that form whan he lost the Ring. Perhaps the form that Gollum saw was more of an ethereal form. PrometheusX303 00:53, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is really a change. In addition to Gollum having seen Sauron's form there are also several references to Sauron having reformed in the Third Age and Tolkien states specifically in a letter that Sauron had the form of a large, "but not gigantic", humanoid when describing what a confrontation between Sauron and Aragorn or another potential Ring-bearer might have been like. Further, there are references to the 'Eye of Sauron' in the Second Age while he had a physical form and even a reference to Morgoth having a similar 'eye' effect... while he never lost his physical form until he was cast out. Thus, to all appearances, the 'Eye' was a manifestation of will used by Sauron (and Morgoth) while he had a physical body. --CBDunkerson 10:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

"In the book The Lord of the Rings, the Eye of Sauron refers to Sauron's ability learn about and maintain contact with his spies throughout the realm of Middle-earth."

I find this sentence very odd. I never read or heard anything before which suggested something like that. Furthermore, the Eye seems to be an actual thing, which can be seen. Frodo sees the Eye when he looks into the Mirror of Galadriel. When Frodo is looking at the Dark Tower from Amon Hen "...suddenly he felt the Eye. There was an eye in the Dark Tower that did not sleep. He knew that it had become aware of his gaze." And the Akallabêth states "...the Eye of Sauron the Terrible few could endure." See also the Witch-king's words in the chapter "The Battle of the Pelennor Fields" in The Return of the King. The sentence above does not seem to fit with these citations. The Eye of Sauron seems to be something in the Dark Tower, but is not equated with Sauron (as in the movies). Eric119 00:08, 2003 Dec 11 (UTC)

Hey I found a flash presentation that has a slide with an image that appears to resemble the Eye of Sauron in the LotR movies. Does that resemble the Eye of Sauron? It might be a visual influence.

It was always my opinion that Sauron was a physical humanoid, with a physical solitary lidless eye wreathed in flame, that had the ability to view things far and wide, due both to the Palantir in his posession and a natural scrying ability. The Internal flames wreathing the eyeball, I felt were intended as a general indication of Evil akin to the Internal fire of the Balrog and the dependance upon fire generally of Evil beings a la Saurons dependancy on Mount Doom to power his Kingdom and associations with Satans fires of Hell.

Therefore the "Eye of Sauron" should be taken as a physical representation, only it is physically the Eye in Saurons head, which when he sits at the top of Barad Dur, see's all.

Original research?

"It has also been noted that the eye of Sauron bears an [sic] Freudian similarity to a vagina." Uthanc 00:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:39, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

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Eye of Sauron → Eye of Sauron (disambiguation) – The clear primary topic of this term is the aspect of the character Sauron in the Tolkien legendarium, and not a little-used and unofficial nickname for one of the tens of thousands of galaxies that happen to resemble an eye. I propose to move this page to make way for a redirect to the "Eye of Sauron" section of that article. bd2412 T 03:07, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Would there be an option at the top of the page, suggesting the galaxy page? I would have thought it would be by far the least likely alternative, but given the NASA publicity for the term there will be some people looking for the astronomical object under that name. Lithopsian (talk) 12:40, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

We can handle this with a hatnote in Sauron:

"Eye of Sauron" redirects here. For the spiral galaxy, see NGC 4151.

. De728631 (talk) 12:48, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

• Support. The fictional Eye of the fictional character Sauron is the primary meaning here. Miscellaneous user (talk) 21:12, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
• Support, even as an astronomy-lover I had never heard of that galaxy. StringTheory11 (t • c) 03:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
• Support and there I was thinking that Fomalhaut was the astronomical eye of Sauron. 77.56.99.23 (talk) 19:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

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