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Sources

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Is a book a reliable source? Just wondering because I have Shawn Michaels' autobiography, and if I could cite it, I could add a bit about the Curtain Call, and the Kliq. Thanks, Genius101 Wizard (talk) 15:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone please cite this reference for me? I added the bit about the Kliq in the personal life section. It's from both the Kliq Wikipedia article, and from "Heartbreak and Triumph: The Shawn Michaels Story". The book is written by Shawn Michaels with Aaron Feigenbaum, in 2005. Thanks,Genius101 Wizard (talk) 16:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shoot Interview with Waltman

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There is an overview of the RF Video shoot interview here [1] which might be handy, has his side of his WWE release among other things --Apsouthern (talk) 12:50, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

X-Factor

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I really don't know how to edit pages but there is no link for the X-Factor or what it is in basic terms. 63.214.229.41 (talk) 03:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

where exactly are you talking about? ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 11:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The X-Factor is Sean Waltman's signature move. Give me a few seconds, I'll watch YouTube and see if I can describe it.
  • few seconds pass*

As per this video, it looks like the X-Factor is simply a run of the mill sitting facebuster. He basically grabs the opponents head, jumps up, opponent jumps too, then he slams their face into the mat, in a seated position. He starts it off with a kick to the gut. Basically, the IP user would like a link to a wrestling move page, complete with a description of the move. 199.212.27.249 (talk) 22:30, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GWF = independent?

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I disagree with the implication the article makes that GWF was an "independent organization". Considering they had national television clearance via ESPN, they really don't fit the term as it's applied within pro wrestling.76.226.216.9 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:11, 10 November 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Actual debut date?

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Any quick look at the linked title histories shows 1992 is blatantly wrong, with his first PWA Light Heavyweight Title win being on April 12, 1990. So approximately when WAS his debut, anyway? Late '89? Very early '90? --Bix (talk) 19:03, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A bit slow here, but I've heard him say he started wrestling as a teenager, and WrestlingData says he debuted in 1989. I've corrected it to that. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:48, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WCW Tag Team Championship riegn

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Waltman should be credited with a WCW Tag Team Championship reign, as WWE credits him as being "Freebirded" into the title with Hall and Nash in 1997.

The belts are WWE property, so if they want to say Waltman was a co-champion using the Freebird Rule, then their word is law, since it's their title. Vjmlhds (talk) 19:22, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

His WWE profile says he wasn't champion. http://www.wwe.com/superstars/x-pac In fact, every single source says that Waltman wasn't champion (cagematch, solie, OWOW, Canoe...) Only source is a photo, where you can find also unregonized laycool reigns. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:25, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
With Lay-Cool, WWE made it clear that only one was officially champion, but allowed the other to defend the title on her partner's behalf. That's the difference between a singles title and a tag team title. With tag teams, the entire group are considered champions, and can pick which ever two to wrestle in title defences. And with all due respect to your sources (solie, etc.) they can say what they want, but if the company that owns the title says Waltman was "Freebirded" into it, then that trumps all, since it's their title, and they make the rules. Vjmlhds (talk) 19:39, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I support it, as long as we note the circumstances. Though he didn't win the title, he clearly lost it to the Steiners. Can't lose a title without holding it. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:47, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure? List of WWE European Champions: Owen Hart. Aired January 26. Defeated Goldust, who was dressed as Triple H. Commissioner Slaughter awards the title to Hart considering Goldust as a substitution for Triple H. List of NWA World Tag Team Champions Kingz of the Undergrounf Defeated Kory Chavis and Lance Hoyt for the titles; Davis was absent for "personal reasons" and had not teamed with Chavis in quite some time but the NWA never stripped the Dark City Fight Club of their championship. A substitusion doesn't mean recognized champion. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK, they can sometimes lose titles without holding them. But the difference between that and this is Syxx was the scheduled opponent. WCW made it clear from the start that he and Hall were defending the title, and it changed hands at the bell. Hart was given the title after the match, by special ruling. If Slaughter hadn't decided to abuse his power, Triple H would have kept the title. Since he was stripped of it, Goldust couldn't have been champ during the match, even temporarily.
Can't comment on the other case, not familiar with it. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:41, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Syxx didn't win the title, that's not being argued, but he was "Freebirded" into it. Just like with all the other teams WWE mentioned in their piece, what happened was X and Y won the titles, and then announced that their buddy Z will also defend the titles, so all 3 members of the team are champions and they can pick whichever 2 to defend the titles in any given match. There's a difference between "Freebirding" and a substitution. Vjmlhds (talk) 05:39, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

123 Kid moves

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Moonsault should mentioned that it used to be a finisher of his as Waltman did use a Moonsault to beat Razor Ramon and it his most famous finisher under the 123 Kid gimmick from his first WWF run. It was also his finisher in the WWF Monday Night Raw videogame for the Genesis, SNES and 32X. [1]

He also beat a young Jeff Hardy with this submission move. [2] Which isn't a Crossface Chickenwing.

His X-Factor Facebuster he didn't start using until his WCW run as Syxx and is also where he picked up the Bronco Buster.90.195.150.31 (talk) 23:02, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Another move that 123 Kid used was a Diving Legdrop which he uses here to beat a jobber called Black Phantom. [3] 90.195.150.31 (talk) 23:23, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/20150413/5197058/123kid-moonsault-o.gif
  2. ^ http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/20150413/5197053/123-kid-submission-o.gif
  3. ^ http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/20150413/5197088/123kid-diving-legdrop-o.gif
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Wife

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He married Angela he thanked her at his Hall of Fame induction with nWo 47.205.241.39 (talk) 23:44, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ring Name Origin

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The subject of Waltman's Attitude Era ring name does not appear to be addressed in a satisfactory manner. The current section on his return to WWF claims that "X-Pac" derives from "ex-Wolfpac." This is a novel theory that does not appear to have any support from other sources.

The more commonly accepted explanation is that the ring name evolved from 1-2-3 Kid>Syxx/Syxx-Pac>X-Pac. "Syxx-Pac" was reportedly a nickname given to him by Hall and Nash, with various origin explanations found in other sources. "X" was reportedly derived from "DX."

I added both a Citation Needed tag and included the alternate and more commonly accepted origin explanation, and the edits were immediately reverted. Requesting that anyone with a source regarding this issue please edit article accordingly. 130.45.24.168 (talk) 06:25, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Found footage of Waltman explaining ring name origin. He confirms that "X-Pac" derived from the WCW-era "Syxx-Pac" nickname: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qndJ-h601oA [timestamp 5:18]. 130.45.24.168 (talk) 08:33, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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