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On 10 September 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to The Ultimates. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Ultimates' naming for a discussion on the naming of individual characters' articles in the Ultimate Marvel continuity. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 16:50, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

Protection

Is semi-protecting the page still necessary? It's been over a year since it was semi-protected. --Scorp Stanton (talk) 17:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pending changes

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What Killed The Ultimates?

I notice that the section on sales/reception ends with Ultimates 3, as if U3 were the last noteworthy installment of the series. The truth is that U3 effectively killed all enthusiasm for the characters, and with it all the momentum the Ultimates had gathered. Why? Loeb is a fine writer. Joe Mad is-- well, Joe Mad. Mad is fine at what he does, but he's no replacement for Bryan Hitch. One thing I've noticed lately is that fans seem to put more stock in writing these days. When asked, one fan told me he pays little attention to artwork and can hardly be expected to know one style from another. But here's the thing: that's all bull. A fan may not be able to tell one style from another, but does anyone really believe Bendis' four year run on Daredevil would still be hailed as one of the all-time best DD stories if Humberto Ramos had drawn it instead of Alex Maleev? Because I'm here to tell you, had that been the case, it would have just been another Daredevil story, nothing special. And that's exactly why Ultimates 3 failed; because Mad's artwork was nothing special. It disappointed fans so badly that not even the stunning work which followed it could quite make up for it. And the cheap, offhanded way that Ultimate Spider-Man was killed off at the end of Ultimate Avengers didn't help at all. People think they don't notice artwork, but it's the first thing to hit the reader, making it the most important impression of the writer's worth. That's an impact that's hard to measure, and believe me, it makes all the difference. Indeed, the reason I pay so much attention to art is that I can stand mediocre writing if the art is outstanding, but not even the most impressive writing is worth putting up with bad artwork. It took me decades to learn that. It was an important lesson, as it saved me from the frustration of having to read the conclusion of a story that switched artists with the final installment. Because they do that. They draw you in with fantastic talent, then switch to less expensive talent once they have you hooked, which affects the story much as it would if, say, William Shatner were replaced with another actor for the last half hour of a Star Trek film. It negatively impacts suspension of disbelief and pulls your interest to shreds. Of course, art in comics today is generally better than it used to be, so the effect is not as obvious as it was in the 70s, but it still happens. The result is something like what happened with Ultimates 3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetrellan (talk • contribs) 01:49, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In Serious Need of Updates

This entire article on the Ultimates is in serious need of updating. It basically ignores the entire Reed Richards as villain sagas and jumps ahead to events past Cataclysm, which has only just started. Perhaps, as the writer of "What Killed the Ultimates" has commented, Wikipedia readers lost interest in this page as well, after the debacle that was Ultimates 3? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CGorky (talk • contribs) 18:06, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is this page about the team?

I mean, this page should be about the comic book series, but it has the infobox comic books organization templaet. Redjedi23 (talk) 12:01, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 September 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) RodRabelo7 (talk) 04:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ultimates → The Ultimates – I have moved this page to the name "The Ultimates", and it was returned citing WP:THE. However, that guideline would actually support the move, as the "the" is part of the name of the work. Just take a look at the covers of The Ultimates vol. 1, The Ultimates vol. 2, The Ultimates vol. 3, Ultimate Comics: The Ultimates, (Ultimate Marvel), The Ultimates, Ultimates 2 (616 universe) and The Ultimates (Ultimate Universe). With just a pair of exceptions, "New Ultimates", "Ultimate Avengers" and "All-New Ultimates" (and none being just "Ultimates"), the use of "The Ultimates" is consistent and kept even the two times the comic was rebooted into another universe. Cambalachero (talk) 17:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support per WP:precise.

𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 19:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To distinguish from what? There are 0 other articles or topics titled "Ultimates" on Ultimate (disambiguation) — notice there is no Ultimates (disambiguation). InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - There was not "the" in Avengers (comics). The move in question was done by @InfiniteNexus:. --Rtkat3 (talk) 17:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Flash (DC Comics character). Fantastic Four. Hulk. Avengers (comics). Suicide Squad. X-Men. Sinister Six. Terminator (character). Seven Dwarfs. Wizard of Oz (character). Simpson family. Knights of the Round Table. Amazons. WP:THE does not support this; it states two primary criteria at the top of the page, both of which this topic fails. The only exceptions it gives are some titles of works, some organizations (especially band names), and some other extraordinary cases. The latter two require special consensus to deviate from the norm and very good reason to do so; none exist for this topic (usually, because a name would be practically unrecognizable without "the"). It is true that if this article were about the comic book series, it would include "the" — see The Flash (2014 TV series), The Avengers (2012 film), The Wizard of Oz, etc.) — but this article is about the group of characters, and the comic book is covered at The Ultimates (comic book) (note the italics), which is correctly titled. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Comics has been notified of this discussion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.