Talk:List of London Underground stations

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Ah, that age old question

Split?

The DLR is a separate system. It states this on the TfL website. Basically the whole of London with the changes January 2010 and also the creation of London Overground has made the whole system more integrated. If we go by the reasoning "they appear on the tube map" then we may as well merge in all the London Overground stations. Yet a lot of people see that as part of the National Rail network. I think people can see that they are are spearate systems.

In fact I am am also proposing the merger of those stations with List of Docklands Light Railway stations with a hatnote at the top.

Besides, there are a lot of dates that need referencing and things but that's a separate issue.

Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 16:24, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Concur with the split. DLR is a private company which wangled a deal with TfL to use LT branding and appear on the tube map, in the same way Deutsche Bahn did with London Overground. It is not and never has been part of LUL. – iridescent 16:29, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, it is an old question which you raised above at #Split and #Fresh split proposal\rename, although neither occasion garnered much support. If there is a consensus to change this time, I think that the solution would be simply to replace all of the bulletted lists at List of Docklands Light Railway stations with the tabulated information from here. Th final column would be empty, so that could be omitted. The lines column could be used for DLR branch.

The only part of the list that needs referencing is the mainline station opening dates. I didn't have sources for these when I compiled the list, but, if you have sources, please feel free to add them.--DavidCane (talk) 16:54, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

1st. Ys i know but I have taken those into account and added a bit more. 2nd. I have Brown but years only. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 17:04, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Rose 1999 (of which I have the 1st edition 1980, 6th ed 1994 and 8th ed 2007) is an excellent source for dates of LU opening/first day of LU service, but doesn't indicate the true opening date if the station already had a non-LU service at the time that LU services were introduced. For example, Epping is shown as "First served 25.9.1949", but there is no way of knowing from Rose that the station was first opened in 1865.

Butt 1995 should have all of the stations whether LU or otherwise, but where one station has had both a LU and non-LU service, it only gives the earlier date (unless there was a gap between the non-LU and LU services): for Epping it gives the opening date of 24 April 1865, a closure date of 1 May 1916 (the reopening after WWI is merely noted as "RO") but the 1949 introduction of Central Line services is ignored.

What is the title, year and full author of this "Brown" of which you speak? --Redrose64 (talk) 20:21, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Joe Brown (2009) London Railway Atlas 2nd ed. ISBN 978-0-7110-3397-9. Actually even when dates are sorted I am still propsing the split\merge based on the other reasons stated above. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 20:40, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

• Support split. The DLR stations don't need to be in this list, especially as they already have their own "List of..." article. The DLR list could be formatted better, along the lines of this one, as DavidCane suggests. --RFBailey (talk) 17:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
• Split the article if you wish, but it would be improper to make it into a disambig page, per WP:DABCONCEPT - unless you happen to know of, for example, an album titled List of London Underground Stations. Cheers! bd2412 T 03:45, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
• Support - This is a good idea. The DLR is not part of the Underground, it just appears on the map. Acps110 ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

It's looking like a split is preferred. I'm willing to do this, although it will be some time next week before I have the time.--DavidCane (talk) 13:20, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I'll be willing to do it, I was just waiting a month to make sure on which direction the consensus was, unless there was no consensus. But then again, you know with one of the resources I've got only the years are given. Simply south...... unintentionally misspelling fr 5 years 15:15, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Now done. --DavidCane (talk) 23:23, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Error in the list?

Not sure if the list is meant to be stations owned by LUL or served by them. If it is ownership then Willesden Junction is managed by LOROL. I work on the Bakerloo line and was part of the transfer team who inherited stations from Silverlink: the only one we didn't inherit was Willesden Junction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.197.52 (talk) 18:06, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

It's a list of stations served.--DavidCane (talk) 18:50, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Canary Wharf

Canary Wharf should surely not be described in the text as two separate stations, since the DLR has been demerged from this list

Jbom1 (talk) 20:48, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Quite right. Done. --DavidCane (talk) 22:31, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

WP:TFL comments

Comments Looks basically good. Just a couple of minor issues...

• One intentional dab link (can stay)
• all images need alt text
• One dead external link
• What is the "Mainline opened" column? It is not mentioned in the short intro in the "Stations" section either.
• How can stations be in more than one zone? Could do with a footnote or an explanation in the lead.
• Some references (3, 4, 6, 8) look more like notes to me and should go in the notes section IMHO.
• Values in the "Usage" column should use the same level of precision, cf. 1.2 versus 1.607, etc.

bamse (talk) 00:25, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I have added alt text to all of the images, fixed the link rot, added a footnote to explain how stations can be in more than one zone, moved references 3, 4, 6, and 8 to the "notes" section, and made the level of precision for the values in the "Usage" column consistent. David Cane also added an explanation of the "Mainline opened" column in the "Stations" section introduction. Neelix (talk) 00:39, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

How many stations?

There only seem to be 269 stations in the list, not 270 as stated in the article. It would help if the list were numbered.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.53.2 (talk) 20:44, 3 January 2012

TfL's website states that it serves 270 stations.[1] None of the stations are missing from the list, but the ambiguity is probably Paddington station, which is really two separate stations on different sides of the mainline station, though shown as a single station on the tube map and in the list.--DavidCane (talk) 18:57, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

If Edgware road and hammersmith are listed as two separate stations (which they are) then Paddington should also be listed as two separate stations (as they also are). The key fact being that they have two separate gate-lines, you have to leave one ticket barrier and enter another to get between the two stations - there is no internal connection, hence they are two separate stations and should be listed as so. Geofftech (talk) 14:22, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

@Geofftech: We shouldn't make our own decisions about Paddington, because that would be WP:OR; but instead we should use a figure that can be reliably sourced - such as the figure stated by TfL themselves. Strangely, TfL's Facts & figures page, whilst willing to reveal the number of step-free stations (66), doesn't show how many stations there are in total. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:42, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

TfL states in [2] (which is mentioned in the article itself) that it serves 270 stations, which would imply a split Paddington as Geofftech mentions. --Trublu (talk) 12:16, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Note 2

Note 2 says "The London Underground uses a system of nine concentric zones for the calculation of fares between stations. Fares between any station in one zone and any station in another are the same, irrespective of the start and end points of the journey or the route used." However, this is contradicted by Oyster_card#Oyster_route_validators, which states that taking a route that does not travel through zone 1 is cheaper if you touch the pink validators in the outer-zone transfer stations. I don't know if this has changed, but if not then this article should be adjusted (I'll leave that to a Londoner). Telso (talk) 14:25, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Map Update

Just thought I should mention that the topological map needs updating to show that the Clapham Junction to New Cross Gate section of the Overground is now in service. 188.223.79.147 (talk) 22:46, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

OMISSION

Why is Baker Street not listed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.149.28.7 (talk) 20:31, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

What do you see between Arsenal and Balham? --David Biddulph (talk) 22:00, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Closed stations

Shouldn't closed stations be listed? Maybe better to have these as a separate section after planned stations. Mjroots (talk) 16:00, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

They have their own list that includes closed, former and unopened stations. See List of former and unopened London Underground stations.--DavidCane (talk) 21:33, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Planned stations

As the Transport Works Act Order has now elapsed for the Metropolitan Line Extension and work has not commenced, TfL also not committed to funding the £30m gap, then Cassiobridge, Watford (Vicarage Road), Watford High Street and Watford Junction are no longer 'planned LU stations'. Also Watford (met) will remain in service. AsparagusTips (talk) 08:30, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Missing stations

Lots of stations seem to be missing? Comparing the stations mentioned at https://twitter.com/tflaccess with this list turns up lots that they mention but aren't mentioned here. For example, maryland, poplar, many others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.255.121.194 (talk) 13:52, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Maryland is not on the London Underground, it is a Network Rail station on the Great Eastern Main Line. Poplar is also not on the London Underground, it is a Docklands Light Railway station. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:12, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Buckinghamshire Council

Since the Chiltern District no longer exists, should the stations in the district have their local authority listed in the table changed to Buckinghamshire? The local authority there is now Buckinghamshire Council. dummelaksen (talk • contribs) 10:57, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I forgot to do this list when I amended the individual stations at the end of March. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:51, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Former and proposed names

The column for former and proposed names seems to be taking up most of the screen real estate in the table, despite such a column not existing in any other list of railroad stations I can find. Frankly it seems quite trivial. Should this information be moved to individual station articles? WMSR (talk) 03:07, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

To consolidate discussion in one place -

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject London Transport regarding the format of Tube / DLR station name articles, use of roundels for interchanges and former/proposed names in the table. The thread is Tube / DLR station name articles. The discussion is about the topic Topic. Thank you. Turini2 (talk) 08:04, 17 November 2022 (UTC)