Talk:History of Arab-Israeli Conflict

NPOV disputes

Pls remove this from the NPOV area - it seems neutral enough. Accuracy however, needs to be double checked.

The NPOV dispute might be better to be changed to the 'controversial topic' banner I think, the language certainly seems fairly neutral on the whole. As you mention the accuracy dispute is potentially something else, I don't know enough about the history to comment on that personally. External sources to the information would probably resolve that best. Sfnhltb 21:32, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV Problems with coverage of the Israeli/Lebanese War

The author(s) do an admirable job struggling for NPOV, and I am reluctant to adjust the text without first hearing from others. Still, there remain some touchy issues under the coverage of the 1982 Lebanon War:

In 2000 Israeli forces left that as well; however, the Hizballah still periodically launched attacks and kept Israeli prisoners as hostages, some of whom were civilians. The two retreats were influenced by political campaigns by groups such as Peace Now.

Three points to include here:

1.1 The Hizballah maintain that Israel has not completed their pull out from Lebanese terretory. The disputed area (Shaaba farms) is listed in pre-independence maps as being part of Syria, however, it was de-facto under Lebanese administrative control (residents paying taxes to Lebanon). Claim to this stretch of land has been left as an open issue between Lebanon and Syria.

1.2 Israel and the proxy Lebanese militia under Israeli control have similarly followed a practice of kidnapping Lebanese civilians, often holding them without contact to the outside world for many years. Israeli intention seems to have been to maintain a cache of individuals they could use in anticipated future prisoner exchanges. Typically these prisoners were individuals with no involvement in the conflict, although some of the prisoners held by the Lebanese militia under Israeli control were young men who refused to allow themselves to be drafted by the militia.

Note on 1.2. This issue was documented by amnesty international. It is inappropriate to neglect this issue, since the article pays attention to the issue of Israeli taken prisoner.

1.3 Although the pressure applied by Peace Now and similar groups can be said to have influenced the Israeli withdrawal decisions, this only occured within the changed Israeli consensus about the cost and benefit in maintaining a presence. Consequently some people view the Lebanese withdrawal as Israel's sole military defeat in almost 60 years of conflict.THIS ENCYCLOPEDIA IS DAMN COOL

I agree the article does pretty well overall on trying to remain neutral, your first point sounds reasonable to add, the second one should probably be explictly linked as Amnesty's position I think, not sure how you can easily include the third point as it seems like speculation, unless it can be tied to someone/some group specifically. In all cases sources/references are probably essential anyway. Note its good to sign with four ~ to name/timestamp your comments. Sfnhltb 21:28, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Adding: merge to|Arab-Israeli conflict

Most of this article repeats (or expands) upon the basics of the Arab-Israeli conflict article and -- as it stands -- should be merged into it. IZAK 09:52, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Factual Inconsistencies

There were 900,000 jewish immigrants not 600k, although only 600,000 immigrated to Israel the rest went to France or to a lesser extent the US.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg 10:08, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]