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Watch your reverts carefully!

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Vasily Zavoyko: If you found it unnecessary to insert a disamb. page, - fine, - but please be more careful not to delete other good changes. This is a note to you. Thank you! Cotling (talk) 14:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. He deleted my addition of the Las Vegas district in Oklahoma City saying "it is not mentioned in the article". WHAT ARTICLE??? This is so frustrating, you want to improve Wikipedia and there are these wannabe controllers who revert an addition without any clue. I stopped editing Wikipedia several years ago and will stop again. Hhgygy (talk) 16:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page watcher) @Hhgygy "What article"? The blue-linked Oklahoma City in the entry being reverted. If the Las Vegas district isn't mentioned in that article, there's nothing to offer our reader so it doesn't belong in the disambiguation page. If you have reliably sourced info about the district, add it to the article on the city and reinstate the dab page entry. PamD 16:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I don't care anymore, stopped editing Wikipedia a long time ago. I'm not interested. FYI: https://nextdoor.com/neighborhood/lasvegas--oklahoma-city--ok/

Hhgygy (talk) 16:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i hate this guy so much he deleted my perfectly fine edit for no reason????? The johnkler12333 (talk) 19:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your edit didn't link to any existing Wiki article which is a requirement for a disambiguation entry. older ≠ wiser 20:29, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop deleting relevant content without valid reason. I'm referring to specifically to the Medina_(disambiguation) page.

You reverted my changes, and I improved the content, but you reverted again. In both cases without stating a valid reason. People searching for this music is likely to end up on this page. Not only is Medina part of the title and the name of the band, but the chorus repeats "Medina" over and over again.

Please stop reverting relentlessly, or at least explain why you think it doesn't belong. Thank you in advance. 149.88.17.134 (talk) 19:10, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see my additional topic on this page for a potential example of an unwarranted revert (removing citations, clarifications made by a credentialed expert) on an article badly needing support.
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I agree. Rogue editor on an ego trip. Wikipedia is diminished by this sort of person holding so much power on the site. Please begin editing in a way that reflects awareness of Wikipedia users' being a higher priority than your ego. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SteGenevieve (talk • contribs) 04:30, April 27, 2024 (UTC)
Also agree. Fehérlófia is the Hungarian name of a folktale. Having it redirect to an animated movie of the folktale instead of the folktale itself makes no sense. Your revert comment had no reasoning, it was simply the word "why?". Also, if you're going to revert my edits, at least do it correctly -- you left a dangling redirect notice on Fehérlófia (Hungarian folk tale). Please fix this yourself so that it is correct when you are banned and all your changes are themselves reverted <3 Fredo699 (talk) 14:41, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fehérlófia has been a redirect to Son of the White Mare since 2015. There is no good reason for the version without diacritics to be different. And in fact I did explain this in my edit summary: Should be same as Fehérlófia -- if the folk tale article needs to be renamed, please use WP:RM. The edit summary you mention on Son of the White Mare questioned why you removed a perfectly valid hatnote, since as I said before, Fehérlófia has been a redirect to Son of the White Mare since 2015. You gave no good reason for removing the valid hatnote. If you think the folk tale is the primary topic for the term, you should propose a requested move of Fehérlófia (Hungarian folk tale) to Fehérlófia and gain consensus for this. older ≠ wiser 14:54, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but no, your edit was not an improvement. Please review WP:MOSDAB; in particular, WP:DABONE and WP:DABMENTION and MOS:DABNOENTRY. older ≠ wiser 19:30, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bro please stop this. You deleted A.FLOCK's edit man. He made it better. I tried to find beluga youtuber, he put that, then you Deleted it? Why? Now I can't find it. Awesome for your revert which made me look for more time to find what I was looking for. Thx. 103.172.217.171 (talk) 07:48, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cedric and Phyllis

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The standard title for a given name article is Name (given name) since the word itself can refer to a number of other things besides the name. I moved these pages to titles that reflect the titles of multiple other given name articles. i have major objections to your reverting them. These are seemingly uncontroversial moves based on previously established precedent. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 15:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, these articles follow standard naming conventions in that a parenthetical phrase is not automatically appended. In cases where the name is the primary topic, there is no need for the parenthetical disambiguating phrase. older ≠ wiser 15:43, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is unduly confusing considering the number of other things that might have the name or might have the name in the future such as a single-named performer or an organization or painting, etc. The standard title Name (given name) clarifies that the topic is tge history and usage of tge name. These are not disambiguation articles. They are properly articles regarding usage of tge name. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 15:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Preemptive disambiguation has been proposed many times and soundly rejected with few exceptions. There is none for Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy articles. older ≠ wiser 15:59, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page watcher) @Bookworm857158367 If you think that either name is not the Primary Topic ( which could well be argued, with places, ships, etc), you could propose, for each, a not-uncontroversial multiple move of the disambiguation page to the basename and the given name page to the disambiguation name, as set out at WP:Requested moves. There would then be wider discussion. There might be a lot of incoming links to clear up, I haven't checked. PamD 16:53, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’d argue that the name pages aren’t actually disambiguation names but are properly articles about the meaning, history and usage of the name itself. They have significance in and of themselves. They aren’t intended to be place holders referring people to other articles. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 16:59, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you misunderstood what PamD was suggesting. If you think the name articles are not the primary topic, you should propose a requested move of both the name article and the disambiguation page. For example, to move Cedric to Cedric (given name) and Cedric (disambiguation) to Cedric. older ≠ wiser 18:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Easy to find my post confusing, as I'm on phone and didn't notice that my intended "disambiguated name" had been changed to "disambiguation name" ( and it tried to do it again just now!) Sorry I didn't spot it. PamD 19:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

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The Original Barnstar
Congrats on being the oldest still active editor of Taylor University CavsFan45 (talk) 18:36, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Apologies

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I was trying to revert vandalism (the "habitual line-stepper" thing), and it seems your attempts to do the same were caught up in that. I am not a vandal and am sorry for the inconvenience! Patient Zerotalk 00:40, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're quick!

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What's the rush? I was just gearing-up to begin an article on the Remington Starfire[1] and you removed my preliminary addition to the Starfire disambiguation page. Have a look at the Olivetti Valentine too – this is where I spotted the Remington Starfire (and also another interesting typewriter called the Monpti, which could also be a useful addition to this encyclopaedia!). Cheers,

References

  1. ^ Greg Fudacz. "Remington Starfire (1963-1969)". Antikeychop.com.

Cl3phact0 (talk) 12:06, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Write the article first. Entries on dab pages need to have some existing article with relevant content to link to. older ≠ wiser 14:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael Williams

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Why did you delete Michael Williams? 193.119.102.196 (talk) 11:04, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you mean this edit, there is no article for the person. older ≠ wiser 13:22, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So! Many of the entries don’t. It’s just to provide information on a Michael Williams citation. Why not mind your own business? 193.119.102.196 (talk) 21:22, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which other entries do not have a linked article that supports the usage? older ≠ wiser 23:38, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy First Edit Day!

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First Edit Day

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Happy First Edit Day, Bkonrad, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Ezra Cricket (talk) 04:59, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Snow Peak reversion

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Wikidata item Q11312604 references "Snow Peak" as the English article, and that is the article to which the ja-wiki article is linked. Furthermore, it's unnecessary to have (company) in the name when the awkward parenthesis could be placed on a less-frequently visited disambiguation page. Please stop reverting the article to "Snow_Peak_(company)".

Ishiura (talk) 12:29, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata does NOT in any way ever dictate how articles are titled in English Wikipedia. Do not move pages by cutting and pasting the content as that makes a mess of the edit history and attribution of contributors. If you are not able to move a page yourself, you can make request following instructions at WP:RM. As this is not an uncontroversial move, it should be discussed to establish consensus that the company is the primary topic. older ≠ wiser 12:36, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK. I'll create a topic on Snow_Peak_(company)'s talk page.
Ishiura (talk) 12:47, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to join the Twenty Year Society

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Dear Bkonrad,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Twenty Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for twenty years or more. ​

Best regards, Chris Troutman (talk) 14:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You reverted my additions for no reason given.

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So 3 of my edits, on things like (name) and what it’s referring to pages, you quickly removed information about that name could refer to. All of them were specific abilities inside of a Roblox game. And I can’t cite for that because it’s a small edit and there isn’t gonna be an entire news article about a new ability inside of a Roblox game. May I politely ask why they were reverted? Also, I’m new to Wikipedia, just so you know. JAFactsDude (talk) 02:27, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The edit summary was pretty clear (aside from one where I may have inadvertently hit rollback). None of the terms were so much as mentioned in the linked article. That is a minimal requirement for a disambiguation entry. There is no point to direct readers to pages that have nothing to say about a topic. older ≠ wiser 03:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, make sense now. JAFactsDude (talk) 03:42, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gabatha

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For fuck's sake, I'm working on it on my phone, you destroyed most of my work, what's the hurry??!@ Arminden (talk) 15:00, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Get a grip. You removed the disambiguation template (without any indication more work was forthcoming) and I restored it. If you consider that as having destroyed most of your work, you seriously need to re-consider what you are doing. older ≠ wiser 15:49, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

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Thank you for helping me fix the inconsistency in Greek letters!

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Sometimes, you can do the work for others

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Back in 2004-2008, when I was an active contributor, and I'd see someone make a change that was useful, but required some extra work to make it comply with the rules, I would do that work for them, rather than reverting the change.

It appears things have changed in the last 20 years. Feel free to edit the neck gaiter article to describe how it can be referred to as a "buff". Here are some sources (usage is colloquial, hasn't quite made it into the Macquarie Dictionary yet). I'm going to log out for another decade or so. Aramգուտանգ 21:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chime

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What was the reason for the revert? Also, Chime is a prominent DJ, albeit without a wikipedia page yet, I thought this should suffice in the meantime. Perhaps it should be moved to a different section of the Chime page? Or should I provide a source? Finesden (talk) 23:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The purpose of disambiguation pages is to help readers navigate to existing articles with relevant content. If the is no article to direct readers to, then there is no reason to add an entry to the disambiguation page. older ≠ wiser 23:22, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks. I'll try to keep that in mind when editing disambiguation pages.
But on that note, how come this exists on the page: "Amazon Chime, an enterprise collaboration service from Amazon Web Services". It doesn't link to a page called Amazon Chime. Finesden (talk) 23:31, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Without scouring history, I couldn't say for certain, but it may be that the linked article Amazon Web Services used to contain some mention of Chime. But there is no trace I can see in the article, so it should be removed. older ≠ wiser 23:47, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My edit on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CML

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@Bkonrad Respected sir,

Many thanks for reverting my tag on the above page. Since I am a beginner, I would like to know why. So I do not make the same mistake again.

I am sure, that "CML" is a well-known and accepted abbreviation of "Classic metaphyseal lesions". I can support this statement with several authentic references. But last time when I did it [on some other disambiguation page], the tag was reverted, and when requested to educate me, the answer was that "no references are allowed on Disambiguation pages."

So I am -kind of - in a bind. If I put an authentic reference, the tag is reverted, because it is not allowed. If I do not put such a reference, the tag is reverted [for the supposed reason], that it is an unacceptable abbreviation.

So what should a beginner do?

Kindly enlighten and oblige. Thanks.

Anil1956 (talk) 03:47, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anil1956, your edit did not link to any existing article. The sole purpose of disambiguation pages is to help readers find articles with content relevant for an ambiguous topic. Please review WP:disambiguation and WP:MOSDAB (or see WP:DDD for a very brief summary). older ≠ wiser 17:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Regarding TACL (disambiguation)

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I noticed you removed my {{db-g7}} from TACL (disambiguation). You left the edit note Perfectly fine redirect. But I don't see why anyone would link to TACL (disambiguation) if they mean to link to a disambiguation for TACL when TACL is itself already a disambiguation. I only created the page in the first place because TACL was previously not a dab, but rather contained the contents of TACL (programming language), which has since been moved to that page. Could you clarify your reasoning? Brusquedandelion (talk) 05:01, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:INTDABLINK. While at present, there aren't any pages that need to link to this particular dab (such as in a hatnote or see also section), this redirect would be used if any such need arose. Chances are that even if this redirect were deleted, it would have soon been recreated. older ≠ wiser 09:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Unexplained revert on AXA (disambiguation)

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Hello. You’ve removed the mention of the biggest Dutch bicycle lock manufacturer without any explanation in this edit, care to explain please? Thanks. Andrej Shadura (talk) 06:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At the time, the entry was not linked to any article. older ≠ wiser 09:48, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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IMO - Integration Management Office - reverted

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Hi Bkonrad,

would you please let me know why the edit of "Integration Management Office", which is hard to find, but often used in fusion contracts of companies with the acronym IMO was reverted? SabineWanner (talk) 18:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I just noted that you also reverted TSA a couple of years ago. Why that? What is wrong with contributing rare acronyms?SabineWanner (talk) 18:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SabineWanner, disambiguation pages are not glossaries of acronyms. Each entry requires one blue link to a article that contains information about the ambiguous topic. Please review WP:Disambiguation and WP:MOSDAB. For a very abbreviated summary, see WP:DDD. older ≠ wiser 20:35, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia has changed a lot even in this case. I remember very different times. Thanks for the clarification. This makes Wikipedia useless to a certain extent. It's good to know and will help a lot during my next conference, when I talk about "How to use Wikipedia for translation". SabineWanner (talk) 05:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The requirement that every entry have a blue link is not new. older ≠ wiser 09:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your time editing Wikipedia would be better spent verifying the accuracy of content...

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...and not nitpicking another editor's choice of making an important word a wikilink. You're the reason so few potential new editors, many of them with subject matter expertise more impressive than yours in most (if not all) areas, have any interest in participating in the Wikipedia project. Please begin editing in good faith. Thank you! 100.15.238.176 (talk) 04:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're no librarian. And certainly no cataloger.

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Your concerns about "excessive information" and "excessive links" frustrate this librarian exceedingly. Are you concerned about bandwidth, or just an unhappy meddler? SteGenevieve (talk) 04:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

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Hello, first of all, thank you for being such an active contributor. I would like to expand some pages with relevant and meaningful contemporary (or non-contemporary) art projects, which is my specialty as a curator. I believe it's important to include this section to provide a comprehensive view of how artists are contributing to our society, addressing various subjects, and presenting their proposals.(maybe only five Maybe I haven't proposed, titled, or written it well? Thank you for letting me know. Perhaps a selection of 5 is enough so as not to dilute the original meaning of the word? Nonetheless, I still believe it's important to discuss today's artists who are already published and active in society, in order to offer visitors the opportunity to discover how the subject is being addressed by artists in a rapidly changing world.

Thank you again for your response. Vidya-Kélie (talk) 09:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is not the purpose of disambiguation pages, which are navigation aides to help readers find topic that have the same name or are otherwise ambiguous. older ≠ wiser 10:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page watcher) @Vidya-Kélie If The Sun in art or perhaps Sun in art is a topic on which other people have already published material in Reliable independent published sources, then it could perhaps be either a new article or a section within The Sun in culture; we already have Sun in fiction too. But it's not appropriate to try to develop this as a subject within the Sun (disambiguation). And, incidentally, when you add a section heading you don't need to bold it, the system will format it appropriately automatically. There's a lot to learn about editing Wikipedia but it's an interesting journey. Happy Editing! PamD 11:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And, @Vidya-Kélie, on these edits, congratulations on working out how to format the bulleted list, but note that Wikipedia doesn't use ordinals like "21st" for dates, just the plain number "21" - see a lot more detail at MOS:BADDATE. Lots to learn, as I said above! PamD 11:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TotalErg

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Hi, this is an official source for the acronym TE https://web.archive.org/web/20170617080053/https://www.totalerg.it/nei-nostri-punti-vendita/carte-petrolifere/totalerg-card "Sulla rete a marchio TE 24/24, le forniture saranno fatturate al prezzo di listino Carte TotalErg Card..." InterComMan (talk) 16:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To comply with WP:DABACRO, the target article needs to describe these details. older ≠ wiser 16:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I don't quite understand what the problem is, could you explain yourself better? Thanks in advance. InterComMan (talk) 08:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From WP:DABACRO: When considering articles to include in the list, it is important that each individual entry is referred to by its respective abbreviation within its article. The article TotalErg says nothing about the use of the initialism TE. older ≠ wiser 08:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then for that matter TotalEnergies shouldn't be included either: on the page it doesn't say that it is abbreviated as TE. InterComMan (talk) 08:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The logo is a stylized te. older ≠ wiser older ≠ wiser 09:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also the logo of TotalErg was TE in 24/24 service stations.[1][2][3][4] InterComMan (talk) 09:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it is a notable detail, it belongs in the article, not only on a talk page or an edit summary. older ≠ wiser 09:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And so I reiterate that TotalEnergies should also be removed from the disambiguation page. InterComMan (talk) 09:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why? The stylized te logo is very prominently displayed on the article. older ≠ wiser 09:40, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok but she is not referred to as "TE" in any way in the article. InterComMan (talk) 09:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes it is not necessary to explain what is obvious. older ≠ wiser 10:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But what's the problem in including TotalErg too? There are sources that prove that "TE" is also used as an acronym for TotalErg. InterComMan (talk) 10:18, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because there is nothing whatsoever in the article itself that suggests such usage. As I said above: If it is a notable detail, it belongs in the article, not only on a talk page or an edit summary older ≠ wiser 10:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "TOTAL ERG". neonbassano (in Italian). Retrieved 2024-05-16.
  2. ^ "TE 24/24". Foursquare. Retrieved 2024-05-16.
  3. ^ "TOTAL ERG S.P.A. – Eurotecnoservice" (in Italian). Retrieved 2024-05-16.
  4. ^ "Gruppo api IP". Gruppo API (in Italian). Archived from the original on 2019-01-27. Retrieved 2019-02-13.

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why revert dab referencing of running water?

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show logic. you must show that because Running water (case matters) redirects to tap water, Running Water should not and dab should be on Running Water and not in running water (disambiguation) and that dab link should not be in top of tap water pageMussharraf Hossen Shoikot (talk) Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot (talk) 12:58, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First, you should not move pages by cutting and pasting the content. That is rarely appropriate as it makes a hash of the edit history. All of the entities on Running Water are titles which is it is the disambiguation page rather than Running water (disambiguation). You need to provide rationale and establish consensus for why the title case page should redirect to tap water. I have restored an updated hatnote to the tap water article. older ≠ wiser 13:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
better idea would be to report to ani and let admins sort out your persistent revert which looks like an attempt at vandalism. you deliberately avoided answering why Running water should redirect to tap water but Running Water should not Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot (talk) 13:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You persist in making a cut and paste move without consensus or even a sound rationale. Go ahead and make a report (and watch out for the boomerang). older ≠ wiser 13:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, ANI is not for content disputes.
I saw the Running Water/Running water thing at ANI and you can put me in for disambiguation page for Running Water due to a variety of proper noun Running Waters out there. I do not think it should be redirected to tap water, and have now put the page on my watchlist. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 14:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page watcher) @CoffeeCrumbs@Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot "Running water" to me means flowing water, as in a river or a stream: Google it and the first many hits are for audio or video of soothing flowing water. I don't know whether there's anything in Wikipedia about that, but certainly "running water(s)" contrasted to "standing water(s)" is an ecological habitat term (waterside plants etc), and I've now added that to the dab page.
I'm also not sure whether "running water" has to be "tap water": if a house has a pump in its back yard, do the residents have "running water"? They certainly have "piped water", and it's a massive improvement on having to fetch water from a communal pump or a remote waterhole. PamD 15:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm not sure tap water is the best primary target for running water. But that is a different discussion I think. As for the current disambiguation, all of the entries other than the primary topic redirect are titles and so I think that until there is consensus that there is no primary topic, the dab page should be at Running Water. There is no reason to force readers who intentionally type the capitalized version to go to some other article and then through the hatnote to the dab. older ≠ wiser 18:37, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"variety of proper noun Running Waters" exist and that is why page move to Running water (disambiguation) should happen to clearly show it with Running Water being redirect as Running water is redirect Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot (talk) 15:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As for why the redirects should be different, as you already mentioned, case matters also known as WP:SMALLDETAILS. older ≠ wiser 13:17, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the case matters sentence was said to show that the 2 pages have different cases and already they have different functions, which does not add up. where does the "case matter" justify your revert? Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#aggressive_revert_by_user_as_if_vandalism_on_dab_linking_and_refusing_to_answer_a_contradiction? ani post made and linked here for you to know Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot (talk) 13:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

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Precious
Nine years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moving of Debugging to Debugging (software)

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The move was discussed in the talk page of Debugging. You are most welcome to express your views there.

Laiwoonsiu (talk) 14:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have an opinion on the matter other than it is improper to use a parenthetical disambiguating term when there are no other existing articles that could have that title. older ≠ wiser 15:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Narcissus (film)

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Hello. Is it not true? I fixed it. Is it not necessary to remove this template then? Gadir (talk) 13:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why? That is precisely the situation the {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} template is meant for. older ≠ wiser 14:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of List of places named Sokil

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Hi

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Hello can you give me your idea about subject and thanks Omarbinomar9 (talk) 11:21, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What subject? older ≠ wiser 11:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The subject of "blocked again." LTA self-promoter. OhNoitsJamie Talk 11:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 8 June 2024

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Revert on Root (linguistics)

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You removed well-supported, cited content reflecting consensus in the field of lingusitics that removed conflation of lemma (psycholinguistics), lemma (morphology), non-concatenative morphology / consonantal roots / Semitic roots, and root, written by a PhD candidate in Linguistics. Can you explain why you reverted multiple edits by only saying "None of this is an improvement" without further explanation? Thanks.

~~ 2601:500:8701:D30:816A:63B3:6F65:8AA5 (talk) 23:24, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but your edits made a confusing mess of the article. older ≠ wiser 23:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My edits conceptually clarified multiple topics which were conflated as listed above. It sounds like the definitions used may not have agreed with your notions. It's a shame since the article is in dire need of help from an expert. I explicitly identified multiple definitions of the term 'root', specifically identified at least one theory for one of the definitions, cited a highly cited Max Plank researcher, and distinguished concatenative root from non-concatenative roots (Semitic). It doesn't stand that my edits made it confusing and you still haven't provided an explanation or a reasonable argument with any evidence. I teach courses in this topic so it's a shame that rather than working with me to improve the article you have reverted it in its entirety so it no longer reflects state-of-the-art. 2601:500:8701:D30:816A:63B3:6F65:8AA5 (talk) 23:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I urge you to reread my edits and their descriptions. These are complex topics. Here is are some works by highly respected scholars in these particular fields of linguistics that may help clarify any confusion you might have. You are welcomed to look for more of Aikhenvald's, Dixon's, Harley's, and Haspelmath's work:
[1]Compound and incorporation constructions as combinations of unexpandable roots
Haspelmath, Martin. 2023. Defining the word. Word 69.3: 283-297.
A bit less “radical”: Roots as solitary contentful morphs.
Dixon, Robert, and Alexandra Y. Aikhenvald. 2002. Word: A typological framework. Word: A cross-linguistic typology 1: 41.
Haspelmath, Martin. 2020. The morph as a minimal linguistic form. Morphology 30.2: 117-134.
Harley, Heidi. 2014. On the identity of roots.Theoretical linguistics. 40.3-4: 225-276. 2601:500:8701:D30:816A:63B3:6F65:8AA5 (talk) 23:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is written for a generalist audience. It is possible that your edits may be technically accurate, but they are mostly incomprehensible. older ≠ wiser 00:01, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then edit them rather than revert them, or add additional tags or templates for someone who can do so. These sound like personal feelings.
Compare the pages on Distributed Morphology and Exoskeletal Model. These are highly specialized and may be technical. By that reasoning, these would be removed. All Linguistics pages are more specialized than for a 'generalist audience'. A reminder that the Simple English Wikipedia exists for a reason.
You lowered the quality of the article and reverted text in the style of a "personal reflection, personal essay, or argumentative essay" and "original argument about a topic" which had been removed.
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Look, I only noticed your edits because they had bad hatnotes which placed them into Category:Articles with redirect hatnotes needing review. Besides the bad hatnotes, the short description was indecipherable and most of the other edits were steeped in unintelligible jargon. I've no interest in arguing with you about it. I do not have the article on my watchlist, so you can go ahead and wreck whatever havoc, err, improvements, you like. Though if you re-add a bad hatnote or some other obvious error, that might pop up on my radar again. older ≠ wiser 01:10, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Noticing you tried to change the page to this again. That I've immediately reverted it again should tell you that there's a more substantial issue here. You have to write for a general audience, this is non-negotiable: this isn't General relativity where its own introductory article is required. It's possible, I promise—don't point to other poorly written articles as an excuse why this one should be poorly written also. Remsense诉 13:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of List of places named Sokil for deletion

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of places named Sokil is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of places named Sokil until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

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Disambiguation pages

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Hello, I have a question concerning disambiguation pages. You changed my edit at Swingle and you seem to be or are a Wikipedia editor that is familiar with many of the rules.

At Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages, it says: "If a topic does not have an article of its own, but is discussed within another article, then a link to that article may be included if it would provide value to the reader. In this case, the link may not start the line (unless it has a redirect that is devoted to it), but it should still be the only blue wikilink. For example:

Maggie Anderson may also refer to:

  • Maggie Anderson, a character in the musical play Brigadoon

It is often useful to link to the relevant section of the target page using anchors and conceal that by making it a piped link. For examples, see § Where piping may be appropriate, above.

If the topic is not mentioned in the other article, that article should not be linked to in the disambiguation page, since linking to it would not help readers find information about the sought topic."

So, can I have redirects to other Governing Body members (like the link at the Swingle redirect article to Brother Lyman Alexander Swingle) that don't have their own article? Can or should I share other examples? Junkönig (talk) 16:31, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is possible, although I'm not a big fans of redirects for names of entities that are unlikely to ever have their own articles, or at least some substantive relevant content within an article beyond merely being mentioned in a list. Lyman Alexander Swingle was a previously existing redirect that seems to have been created as a blank and redirect or some poorly sourced content. In that case, there is at least some potential that the old content might be restored and updated with better sourcing.
If the only content is that a person appears in a list with little potential for expansion, I think it is clearer for readers to use a descriptive link as you quote from WP:MOSDAB above. Otherwise, readers might be at a loss as to why they ended up in some differently titled article when they click on a person's name. older ≠ wiser 16:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thank you very much. I will create redirects to Governing Body members that previously had a full article which where then made into redirects. I will provide examples later. Junkönig (talk) 13:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, here are my edits so that now, the style is similar to the redirect of Lyman Alexander Swingle at the Swingle redirect article:
- John Booth#Religion (John C. Booth)
- William Barry#Religion (William Lloyd Barry)
- Schroeder#A (Albert D. Schroeder)
- Barber (surname)#C (Carey W. Barber)
- Losch (Gerrit Lösch)
- Herd (surname) (Samuel F. Herd)
- Anthony Morris (Anthony Morris III)
The following people didn't have previous articles and are in a descriptive style:
- Thomas Sullivan#Other (Thomas James Sullivan)
- Groh (John Otto Groh)
- William Jackson#Religion (William Kirk Jackson)
- Chitty (disambiguation)#People (Ewart Charles Chitty)
- Jaracz (surname) (Theodore Jaracz)
- John Barr (John E. Barr)
- Pierce (surname)#Other (Guy Hollis Pierce)
- Lett (Mark Stephen Lett)
- Sanderson (surname)#People with the surname (Douglas Mark Sanderson)
- Cook (surname)#K (Kenneth Eugene Cook, Jr.)
- Winder (surname)#Notable people (Jeffrey Winder) Junkönig (talk) 14:10, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Metagenetics (disambiguation)

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A tag has been placed on Metagenetics (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G14 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a disambiguation page which either

  • disambiguates only one extant Wikipedia page and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic);
  • disambiguates zero extant Wikipedia pages, regardless of its title; or
  • is an orphaned redirect with a title ending in "(disambiguation)" that does not target a disambiguation page or page that has a disambiguation-like function.

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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Murugan

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I am just expanding and improving the article Murugan in order to make it a good article on Wikipedia by removing the redirect and typos in it and adding good and accurate content there but you are reverting my good faith edits always. I am telling you to not revert them for this reason and let me improve and expand that article. 120.56.168.46 (talk) 16:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't see anything remotely approaching an attempt at a good article. You might try starting with Draft:Murugan and when that reaches an acceptable state it can be moved. older ≠ wiser 17:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
However, there is no draft in Wikipedia named Draft:Murugan for me to edit and improve into a good article through. You can make the article Murugan to be a draft now and i will edit and improve that to an acceptable state and then you make it an article. 120.56.169.129 (talk) 19:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So, i will edit and improve that Murugan article now itself by myself and improve it into a good article and release it into the mainspace. 2409:40F4:2B:E3F7:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 05:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Acoustic punk nominated for redirects for discussion.

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A page you've edited, acoustic punk, has been nominated for redirects for discussion. Please see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#Acoustic punk for the discussion. Everyone, including you, is welcome to participate in the discussion! Moline1 (talk) 04:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesian names

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Hi Bkonrad,

In regards to recent edits, I've read that most Indonesian people don't really have surnames (Indonesian_names#Naming_forms) so I was leaving surname off intentionally and just linking Indonesian name in the leads of those. Thoughts? Thanks, ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:00, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then use {{given name}}. Although I think {{surname}} would also apply to family/clan names and patronymic names. Better place to ask would be WP:WikiProject Anthroponymy or WP:WikiProject Indonesia. I wouldn't call them disambiguation pages unless they are disambiguating persons known solely by a single name. older ≠ wiser 16:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding SSMB

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Hi, I noticed that you've reverted my edit on SSMB for being an "undiscussed change", so I'm conflicted on whether to create a talk page discussion or set it up as an AFD because:

  • As I stated in the original edit reason, I don't think there's any plausible reason for being an acronym for Super Smash Bros. Melee beyond being just a misspelling of SSBM. The page was originally created as a redirect to SSBM which itself a redirect to that game's article and was subsequently have double redirect fixed, but otherwise neither the article made any mention to, nor are there any sources for SSMB being an actual acronym for that game.
  • I initially thought Mahesh Babu would be the most suitable redirect for this, but then I realized after your revert that SSMB was actually used in conjunction with the sequential number of films he starred, and that acronym was not actually mentioned anywhere in the article. In fact, there was a brief conflict on whether this should have redirecting changed to that article or not, before someone decided to make it a disambiguation instead.
  • The third entry, besides grammatical errors, is a violation of MOS:DABNOLINK. Though if the subject is notable enough to warrant an article or redirect to a relevant subject then it may be a suitable replacement.

I'd like to hear your input on this, thanks in advance.

- NotCory (talk) 21:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since you've decided to ignore my message for a week, but then proceeded to respond to a couple of recent messages within minutes they were being sent, I've decided that I should be putting that disambiguation for AfD later today once I made completely sure that it is of no use (i.e. no mention of any of the entries on other articles).
You may now disregard this message, and I apologize for any inconvenience I might have caused to you.
- NotCory (talk) 17:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, sometimes I'm editing on mobile device on which it is difficult to write more that a few words at a time (that usually get mangled by autocorrect). Then I may forget about earlier messages when I'm back on my laptop. I've no strong opinion about SSMB, I initially had not even noticed the misspelling. But PamD has added another valid entry. I would be somewhat surprised if an actor mostly unknown outside of India and the Indian diaspora were the primary topic for an arbitrary string of letters. I suspect some other uses can be found. For example, several science articles mention the Swiss Society for Matrix Biology (https://www.ssmb.ch/) as a reference, although unfortunately there is no article at present. older ≠ wiser 19:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Firenze SM Novella does have an iata code

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Yes, it does, I use the codes all the time when issuing rail tickets. I'm in the travel industry for 40 years, so I know. See List of IATA-indexed railway stations#Railway station codes for further info. Cheers! --Funandtrvl (talk) 01:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted constructive edit

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Hey @Bkonrad, I noticed you removed my constructive edit here without explaining why in the edit summary. Could you please take a second and tell me why you made this seemingly unnecessary revert? ItsCheck (talk) 00:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1) no terminal punctuation with sentence fragments
2) the additional words provide zero help for disambiguating the entries and are clutter (or worse, are misspelled and ungrammatical) older ≠ wiser 00:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bkonrad I thought I was removing those words, not adding them back. So sorry about that.😊
Thank you, ItsCheck (talk) 03:37, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pyongyang, North Korea

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Hello. i'm a vietnamese person who edits on wikipedia without an user account. just wondering, why did you revert my edit? i will not revert again because i dont want to start a edit war, But please, tell me a reason.

Sorry for the grammar, im not fluent in english 2601:646:8003:6B20:F0F5:240E:3682:771 (talk) 10:54, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

also, i am a impatient person, so jest lemme know. 2601:646:8003:6B20:F0F5:240E:3682:771 (talk) 10:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why did you change a disambiguation page into a redirect? The term is ambiguous and there's nothing to indicate a primary topic. older ≠ wiser 11:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
what you just said is not a valid reason. Discussion ended becas
use I do not wantto escalate the situation 2601:646:8003:6B20:F0F5:240E:3682:771 (talk) 11:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't want to take the time to understand how things work, you're experiences editing here are likely to be unpleasant.
The term Heijō is ambiguous. You should not simply replace the disambiguation page with a redirect. That is very nearly vandalism and if you persist, that will result in getting yourself blocked from further editing. older ≠ wiser 11:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ok, i get it. just please spare me
2601:646:8003:6B20:F0F5:240E:3682:771 (talk) 11:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 22 July 2024

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Shock therapy

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Hello Bkonrad, you removed twice a redlink, though the article is question is linked in another (non-disambiguation) article. Why do you think, that Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Disambiguation_pages#Red_links does not apply here? Cf. especially: "A link to a non-existent article (a "red link") should be included on a disambiguation page only when a linked article (not just other disambiguation pages) also includes that red link." and Four-letter_word#In_popular_culture.

As you write above, you are no big fan of redlinks to articles that are unlikely to ever be written. I totally agree with that. But I do not think that applies for a band with articles in the German and Dutch wikipedia, more than ten albums in over 20 years. --Zinnmann (talk) 08:58, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See MOS:DABBLUE and MOS:DABNOLINK. Every entry must have a blue link to an article with relevant content supporting the entry. older ≠ wiser 10:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And the mention in Four-letter word#In popular culture is unreferenced trivia and should be removed. In fact, most of that section is unreferenced trivia. older ≠ wiser 10:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Las Vegas, Oklahoma City

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I see quite a lot of people have issues with your reverts. So do I. FYI: https://nextdoor.com/neighborhood/lasvegas--oklahoma-city--ok/ Don't care to answer. Hhgygy (talk) 16:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, use that source to add some mention of Las Vegas to Oklahoma City or perhaps to Neighborhoods of Oklahoma City, and then re-add the district to Las Vegas (disambiguation) with a blue link to that page. Or create a "redirect" from Las Vegas, Oklahoma City to the page where it is mentioned, then list that redirect on the disambiguation page. It's a rule that every entry on a disambiguation page has to have a blue link which will lead the reader to a page where the topic they want is at least mentioned. It's not just this editor's whim. See WP:DABNOENTRY: "Do not include entries for topics which are not mentioned in any article, even if there is an article on a related topic, since linking to it would not help readers find information about the sought topic. PamD 16:34, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And most of the "quite a lot of people" who have issues with these reverts are inexperienced editors who are still learning about Wikipedia. PamD 16:37, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 14 August 2024

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Lazer

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I could've sworn this was a primary redirect.

Do you object to it becoming a primary redirect? 162 etc. (talk) 18:35, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How likely is it that people will use the misspelling to look for the energy beam? older ≠ wiser 22:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
More likely than anything else on that dabpage, I'd say. 162 etc. (talk) 05:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page watcher) @162 etc. I would oppose moving the dab page to Lazer (disambiguation), so please don't move it without proper WP:RM discussion. Thanks. PamD 16:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why is that? 162 etc. (talk) 16:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See also your own comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lamberghini. 162 etc. (talk) 16:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the case of Lamberghini, the song title was a deliberate misspelling of the car marque. Lazer, Hautes-Alpes is a place, not a misspelling of an energy beam, even if the other entries on the dab page may be deliberate variations of the beam. We should probably not make primary redirects from misspellings where there are other uses of the word. PamD 08:06, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's also David Lazer, now added to the dab page. PamD 10:59, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cheshire, a fictional character in Bayonetta.

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Hi there, an amateur Wikipedia editor with a background of Bayonetta player. Now, I have seen that Cheshire is not only a county in England, but also a character from that game since I start playing it, most recently Bayonetta Origins: Cereza and the Lost Demon. I'm trying to add this thing in a 'Cheshire (disambiguation)' page to take note of it, but it is a failure due to the Wikipedia article 'Bayonetta' doesn't have a word 'Cheshire'.

I have spent quite a few moments to figure this out, but I find only one article has that word, i.e. Bayonetta (character) with that paragraph with Chesire in bold character,


In Cereza and the Lost Demon, Bayonetta's origin story was revealed six hundred years before the great Witch Hunts caused by Aesir. During her time training under Morgana, an exiled Umbra Witch, Cereza frequently experiences a dream that tells her of Avalon Forest, the home of the enigmatic soul-stealing Faeries that she has been strictly warned by her teacher not to venture into at any point. However, one such dream differs from the others and she sees the vision of a mysterious boy telling her to go into the forest to find a way to save her. One night, Cereza is allowed to try summoning her first Infernal Demon using a special brace provided by Morgana. However, the inexperienced witch cannot control the summon using her hair as a conduit properly and is nearly attacked before the demon dissipates. Though desperate to try again, Morgana comments that Cereza is not allowed due her failure and still needs to train harder. Disheartened, but remembering the words of the boy in her dream, Cereza decides to ignore Morgana's warnings and go into Avalon to become strong and save her mother. Taking the brace with her, the girl leaves that same night. Cereza's bravado is eventually whittled away the further she travels into the forest before she is suddenly attacked by Fairies. Knowing that she is no match for them on her own, she attempts to try the spell she had previously failed and summon a demon. Though she is able to complete the summoning, her inexperience with using her hair as a medium causes her to accidentally bind the demon to her stuffed cat. The demon is furious at this confinement and attempts to flee in order to find a way back to Inferno, but quickly discovers that the summoning drains him of his strength and power the further away he is from Cereza. Realizing her mistake, Cereza promises to find a way to send the demon back home if he accompanies her through Avalon to help her find the power she seeks. With no other choice, the nameless demon begrudgingly agrees, with Cereza christening him with the name "Cheshire" after the stuffed cat he inhabits. The two continue went on an adventure, following the tracks of a white wolf whilst conquering the dangerous creatures that lurk in the forest and destroying the four Elemental Cores hidden deep within the forest, where Cereza discovers confidence she never thought she had in herself and gradually overcomes her timid nature, while Cheshire's stubborn attitude eventually begins to soften as he looks at Cereza in a new angle. Suddenly, a faerie tries to lure Cereza into its grasp by disguising itself as her mother. Realizing this, Cheshire destroys the illusion, but Cereza's grief over her mother causes her and Cheshire to argue, deciding to part ways. Later, after seeing him captured, Cereza, concerned, swallows her pride and, with the wolf's help, ventures into the faeries' castle, rescues and makes up with Cheshire, and the two work together to defeat the faeries' ruler, Púca. Soon, the two reach the deepest part of the forest, where the boy Cereza saw in her dreams, named Lukaon, explains that, like Cereza, he was cursed for being the half-blood son of a faerie and a witch. Cereza sympathetically agrees to help him, but grows torn when Lukaon explains that he needs a demon's essence to free himself from the curse. Refusing to put her friend in harm's way, Cereza refuses to give up Cheshire, but Lukaon decides to rely on force and use Cheshire to rid himself of the curse. Luckily, Cereza manages to rescue the demon, though Lukaon steals the elemental powers Cheshire gained from the Cores. The two combine their strength and engage Lukaon in battle, take back the elemental powers, and defeat him. However, soon after, Púca returns for payback, amassing his faerie army for cavalry. Cheshire, carrying the weakened Lukaon, and Cereza narrowly escape the forest before being saved by Morgana, who discovers the boy, but instead of saving him, she angrily turns to Cereza and Cheshire, revealing herself to be Lukaon's long-lost mother, as well as sending other failed Umbran disciples before Cereza to retrieve Lukaon from the forest, unleashing her magical power upon them to avenge her son. At first feeling doubtful of her abilities to combat her mentor, some words of encouragement from to fight on, manifesting the Witch Time to take Morgana by surprise and defeat her, destroying her Umbran Watch and knocking her soul from her body. After tearfully bidding farewell to Lukaon, Morgana's soul is dragged down into Inferno--a fate that eventually befalls every Umbra Witch--and Cereza and Cheshire share a farewell of their own before Cheshire uses the portal made from Inferno's denizens and returns home. Cereza, after her mother wishes her luck in a dream, leaves home the next day to find her next adventure.


Besides, I have prepared two URLs about this character,

https://bayonetta.fandom.com/wiki/Cheshire_(demon)

https://bayonetta.fandom.com/wiki/Cheshire_(doll)

Up to that point, my vital question is

1. With the aid of 2 URLs, is it possible to link a paragraph that I've shown you without any references when taking this note I'm anticipating in this disambiguation page?

Anyways, huge congratulations for reciving The Original Barnstar back in January 2024. Keep up your good work!

I am heading to bed now because I am so tired. zzzzzz 138.19.35.116 (talk) 20:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@138.19.35.116 (talk page watcher) To add it to the dab page you need a blue link to an article which mentions it. I've made one for you. PamD 06:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, thanks a lot, PamD, even though it isn't perfect as I mentioned before my bedtime yesterday. As you know that human beings are not perfect, Wikipedia isn't a perfect encyclopedia website, too.
From now, I am going to take a decent amount of break from this, see you then. 138.19.35.116 (talk) 09:57, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why was my addition reverted?

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What insufficiency lead thou to delete this editor's addition on Velvet (disambiguation)'s Fictional character(s); Velvet Scarlatina? This editor don't add too much subjective & speculative stuff, nor any disinformation for personal gain(s). Where was this editor wrong in his input, and why can't it be edited to the Wiki's need & standards instead of utter deletion? ElnicKorichnev (talk) 16:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We do not link to external sites from disambiguation pages and there is no mention of the character in RWBY. older ≠ wiser 16:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What? There is! A simple Google search of "Velvet Scarlatina" will direct to the RWBY character! ElnicKorichnev (talk) 16:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The current RWBY article on Wikipedia has no mention of the character. Disambiguation pages are solely for the purpose of disambiguating existing content in Wikipedia articles. older ≠ wiser 16:55, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Z_Cam DAB

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Hello! Spotted that you reverted my addition to Z_Cam disambiguation page. The trailing punctuation is probably MOS:DABPERIOD, right? – okay, I get it, thanks, even though I personally used to different writing styles, but now I know the Wiki style.

But what to do with the cameras? I definitely don't plan to write a big full-fledged article on “cinema Z CAM” – but that's a completely different brand from “3DV time-of-flight ZCam”, and it's very confusing: even the heading of the ZCam article mentions, “Not to be confused with Z CAM, an imaging technology brand popular for cinema cameras and VR photography.”

So, there are two things named "z-came-like", one is a technology lost in 2000s, one is an alive-and-breathing Chinese brand arguably known in the cinema-filming niche (if one knows the names like Blackmagic, Arri or Sony Venice/Burano, they probably have heard of Z CAM too), we have the article for the former but not for the latter. So any person looking for some links on the cinema brand... will find basically nothing. Not even a DAB mention.

What's your view on this? Do you think that adding at least some stub page for the “cinema Z CAM” would be sufficient to get it disambiguated?

Though personally I think that the wording of MOS:DABNOLINK does not prevent making the entries with no links. Yes, “An entry without a blue link is useless for further navigation” – indeed, but there is no further navigation (yet). So even though it’s “useless for further navigation”... but very useful to resolve the disambiguity. Honeyman (talk) 17:41, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fun fact I just realized: of the two, or three (candidate) entries for the disambiguation page called "z cam", there is only one of them which is really spelled exactly this way (rather that spelled together, or being a shortening), and this one is actually missing from the dab page now :) Honeyman (talk) 17:46, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding MOS:DABNOLINK, disambiguation pages are a navigational aide. As such, entries with no navigable link have no purpose on a disambiguation page. References and external links are not allowed on disambiguation pages and without an existing article to support an entry, the entry cannot be verifiable (i.e., although your entry may have some basis in reality, without the requirement that an existing article support the entry, vandals could easily add nonsense entries that would be difficult to detect).
Regarding a stub, I've no opinion. It would need to meet whatever the current criteria are for stub creation regarding verifiability and notability. It there is some other existing article that mentions the term, that might also serve as a target. older ≠ wiser 18:33, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I searched a bit, and I hope that a pack of mentions of Z CAM in Y.M.Cinema Magazine makes it notable enough to warrant at least a stub. Honeyman (talk) 19:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not an area I have any familiarity with. older ≠ wiser 20:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Me neither, no more than an area of vague curiosity for me. Still, I made the stub article, put enough references (to Y.M.Cinema magazine and RedDot award) to hopefully let the article survive the natural selection, and cross-linked all that ambiguous stuff. Thanks! Honeyman (talk) 09:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for fixing my contribution to the "bandit" disambiguation page I am not a wiki editor. Another one would be Harry Gant's car itself, the #33 Skoal Bandit, named after the aforementioned tobacco product 73.129.165.189 (talk) 18:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello!

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Sorry to annoy you with some stupid question, but how do you get stuff for the userboxes, like editor for (RANDOM NUMBER) of years etc and display them? Fairly new but want to still use them to decorate my bleak and empty husk of a profile WikipedianAncientHistorian (talk) 20:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) @WikipedianAncientHistorian see Wikipedia:Userboxes, and/or look at the code on a userpage which has userboxes you like and copy it carefully, being sure to correct any personalisation to match your own circumstances. Welcome to Wikipedia and have fun! PamD 20:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, very appreciated WikipedianAncientHistorian (talk) 11:15, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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you told me to give grace (song) article a proper title, please define such or, if you would be so kind, add it yourself. Thanks WikipedianAncientHistorian (talk) 19:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are many songs titled "Grace" You cannot simply add content to the redirect. 1) the content doesn't actually display for most users and 2) it is not the right place to draft an article. If you look at the other songs listed at Grace#Songs, you can see how a properly disambiguated title is constructed. In your case, it would likely be something like Grace (Séan and Frank o' Méara), although considering that there is no article for Séan and Frank o' Méara or Séan o' Méara or Frank o' Méara, it is very doubtful the song would survive deletion based on WP:NSONG. If you want to pursue this, I'd suggest starting with a draft at Draft:Grace (Séan and Frank o' Méara) and get feedback from reviewers rather creating the article directly and having it get deleted. older ≠ wiser 19:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I note that the song is already listed in Grace#Songs, as ""Grace", an Irish ballad about Grace Gifford", and the section Grace Gifford#Cultural depictions is mostly about the song. There's also the complication that "Xyz (Abc song)" usually refers to a song performed, rather than written, by Abc (as in Grace (Miss Kittin song)). So I'm not sure what would be the best title for an article on this song. PamD 20:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@WikipedianAncientHistorian The Cliffs Notes source you linked in your edit seems to be about Grace (short story) in the James Joyce book Dubliners, not the song. PamD 11:00, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oh my bad WikipedianAncientHistorian (talk) 11:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But the song gets a mention in quite a few wikipedia articles, mostly track listings such as You'll Never Beat the Irish, 50 Years, Live from the Gaiety, Blood Red Roses (which linked to the wrong Frank O'Meara until I fixed it) but also Jim McCann (musician) and List of songs about Dublin. There might be potential for an article in there! PamD 11:16, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was no literal article for it WikipedianAncientHistorian (talk) 11:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
someome requesting to remove my Sean Ó meara page for irrelevance... WikipedianAncientHistorian (talk) 19:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the feedback will exit accordingly WikipedianAncientHistorian (talk) 11:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@WikipedianAncientHistorian There's lots of information about writing about songs at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Songs. PamD 11:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bkonrad @WikipedianAncientHistorian OK, I fell down the rabbit-hole (quiet Saturday afternoon, got a bad cold so not going out anywhere) and we now have Grace (Jim McCann song) as he seems to have been the first to record it (and was 33 weeks in the charts with it). I know nothing about writing about songs, and it's getting perilously near to the danger-zone of Irish history, but I hope it's OK, or at least a good start to which more could be carefully added. I've adjusted its entry in the dab page. PamD 18:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And made redirects from Seán O'Meara (songwriter) and Frank O'Meara (songwriter), with entries in List of people with surname O'Meara, and a dab page entry for Sean and a hatnote for Frank. So it goes on! Have also made a redirect from Grace (The Dubliners song) as a likely alternative title. I think that'll do. PamD 18:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i made a page for Seán bruh 😭😭😭😭 WikipedianAncientHistorian (talk) 19:05, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
also Sean and Frank made the song I did a bunch of research myself definitely I live in Ireland so I did local research myself and all the Irish patriots all basically agreed except one who thought it was the Dubliners WikipedianAncientHistorian (talk) 19:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@WikipedianAncientHistorian "Local research" doesn't help unless you found reliable independent published sources. The Wikipedia convention is that a song is disambiguated by performer, not songwriter. You don't seem to have shown any sources which spell their surname with the fada over the "e". PamD 22:39, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I honestly cannot care that much about a fada get rid of it if you want but it's not my greatest concern given that the other article about Seán O'Meara is about to be shut down by you... WikipedianAncientHistorian (talk) 07:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Accuracy in spelling matters in Wikipedia, especially for living people's names.
@Bkonrad, since this is on your talk page, an update: I have made a request at WP:RM to move WAH's article on Seán from the incorrect title to over-write the redirect at Seán O'Meara (songwriter) (and improved it somewhat), and have created the missing mirror-image article at Frank O'Meara (songwriter). I doubt that either of them is really notable, but I'll leave it to the system to work that out. All been discussed at great length at Talk:Seán O'Méara. PamD 09:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it wasn't about the article it was about an actual question WikipedianAncientHistorian (talk) 21:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Don't place terminal punctuation on sentence fragments in lists. older ≠ wiser 09:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi, can you explain why you keep changing the links? Huihui10 (talk) 12:11, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you are referring to Jun. Your edit added a link to Jun (entertainer), which is a redirect back to the same disambiguation page. The pages had been moved by others. If you think the titles of these articles should be changed, I suggest starting a move discussion. older ≠ wiser 12:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your explanation. Huihui10 (talk) 12:40, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Would you Please help neutrality RFC to be reopened?

Summary: Can an RfC for improving neutrality in a major US presidential election article be reopened after it was hastily closed by a specific user?

1. There were many opinions that the biased article in the US presidential election article should be improved.

2. An RFC for improving neutrality was started, and when opinions for improving neutrality came in, it was hastily closed less than two days after the RFC was created.

3. I would appreciate it if you could help improve Wikipedia articles by reopening the relevant RfC so that the opinions of users who want to address neutrality can be posted.

Link : [[2]] Goodtiming8871 (talk) 15:24, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so. There were several responses to the RFC and very little if any support. If anything, the article doesn't go far enough to highlight just how abnormal Trump is both as a candidate and as a human being. older ≠ wiser 15:56, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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